Truther wars: Hampstead hoax debunkers face attacks from their own community

How can you tell a Hoaxtead mobster thinks someone might be getting a bit too close to the truth? We all know the answer: they lash out, they blast the person with hateful messages, they claim he or she is a baby-eater, a paedophile, an all-round bad egg, and their mother dresses them funny. They try to find out details about the person’s life, and then they use it to write vicious defamatory emails to their employers, their friends, their families…and they don’t stop until the person shuts up and stops telling the truth.

Everyone who’s posted here has at one time or another been targetted by Hoaxtead mobsters in this way. We all know how disruptive, distressing, and downright scary it can be.

But lest anyone think that Hoaxtead mobsters reserve this behaviour only for those they think are RD (i.e., everyone who writes or comments on this blog), rest assured: if a fellow conspiracy theorist steps out of line, the mobsters will not hesitate to turn the full force of their attack on them, as well.

As you know, a trio of women—Echo Truths, Lulu from “Itsgonnab alright”, and Katrina McCaffery—put together a two-part video debunking the hoax earlier this week.

It was literally a matter of hours before Katrina began getting doxxed and trolled by people who wanted her to shut up and stop telling the truth about Hampstead. Other YouTubers have jumped into the fray, agreeing with the three women that Hampstead is, well, a hoax: Titus Frost, Random Rants of Ryan, JNoir, Johnny Supertramp…each day the list grows larger, and as it does, the pushback escalates:

At one point someone dug up an old mug shot from many years ago, claiming that it “proved” Katrina was a child abuser. She offered a very cogent explanation of how the allegations came about, and how the case was dismissed, on two videos Friday night—the first with Titus Frost, and the second with Echo Truths. On the ET video, Katrina showed not only the mug shot with the original charges, but the court discharge sheet showing that the case had been quickly dismissed after the complainants admitted they’d lied.

Even so, those who believe in the Hampstead hoax have continued defaming Katrina. Little things like logic and evidence mean nothing to them. They’d rather guard Abe and Ella’s version of the hoax, as it meshes with their own beliefs…even if it means trashing people they formerly supported.

Like ripples in a pond, word of the two-part debunking video has been spreading through the online conspiracy community, provoking predictable reactions from the true believers.

When Pizzagate supporter Titus Frost dared to state that he believed that ET, Lulu, and Kitty were right about the Hampstead SRA hoax, he too was targetted: at about 6:55 on his Friday night video featuring Kitty, he said, “A lot of things have happened since these two videos went up. I’ve had to unfriend some people on Facebook because one of the guys who was pushing on me…a video which they said was linked to Pizzagate and clearly is not, a guy named Kane Slater…sent me a lot of nasty messages when that was debunked, and now he’s sent me more nasty messages because I supported these two videos here that were put up”. As one of Titus’ guests remarked, “(Kane) tends to threaten that if you don’t speak about Hampstead, then he’ll go around the internet and call you a baby eater”.

Then, at about 28:00 Titus says, “There’s another one who like followed me, and became friends with me and never said anything, but I’m sure she was watching me for intel reasons, was Kris Costa”.

Titus, sorry to break it to you lad, but Kane and Kristie Sue are just the tip of the Hoaxtead mobster iceberg. To people like Kane and Kristie Sue, people like Titus are useful inasmuch as they promote things like Pizzagate…but if they step out of line, they will find themselves targetted by those who see them as heretics and infidels.

It’s by turns strange, fascinating, and disturbing to watch troofers turn on their own like this. As Karnevilnine said last evening, “I’m no fan of these people but I’m sure glad they have finally seen through Abe and Ella’s bullshit”. We’d add that while we disagree with many of the beliefs expressed by those who are now seeing the Hampstead hoax for what it is, we fully back them in their efforts to spread the truth within their community. We know how difficult it is to change long-cherished beliefs, and some of our own supporters started off believing in the hoax, so kudos to anyone who not only has the courage to examine their own assumptions, but has the intestinal fortitude to go out and announce their change of heart to the world at large.

For two years now we’ve felt as though we were preaching to the converted. We gathered facts, sifted through evidence, debated possible interpretations of what we found, and tried to ensure that anything we published was verifiable (and when it couldn’t be verified we said so). But on some level we always knew that we were doing this primarily for the benefit of people who already believed that the hoax was a hoax.

Now, all our work has begun to spread into the troofer community…and we see this as a major leap forward, and a moment of great opportunity. Yes, it’s a bit strange to start making common cause with people we’ve thought of as our enemies. But if they can find it within themselves to do a 180º turn on Hoaxtead, surely we can find it in ourselves to offer them our support in getting the message out.

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78 thoughts on “Truther wars: Hampstead hoax debunkers face attacks from their own community

  1. Echo Truths = Danielle la Verité – according to Abe 😀

    It’s official – a whole new level of stupid has just been reached.
    Don’t forget to plant your flag in this uncharted new territory, Papa Hemp!

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    • Oh yes. And now Abe’s Little Mouthpiece, Kristie Sue, is banging on about it on ET’s channel:

      ET is now talking about having DLV on her channel for a chat. Should be interesting, if they can swing it. 😀

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      • p.s. I don’t know that I personally have ever ventured an opinion on DLV. Never had any dealings with her, other than to note her original “Hampstead case is a hoax” video with approval. I do know others here have different experiences, so I guess this is just Kristie Sue’s Fregoli delusion kicking up again.

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        • Oh Christ, Dani is a nasty piece of work but yeah, even she saw through the dumb Hampstead hoax from day one!

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          • GREAT video 🙂
            And I like her better at that speed. Perhaps a little faster even 🙂
            There was a brilliant vid someone made, (not asking for it to be posted), out of a compilation of her facial expressions and cursing, that almost had me wetting my pants with laughter.

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    • Christ knows why I sped that up, lol. It may have just been to keep the length down (stop giggling, Finbarr).

      What I do know is that DLV pissed off Charlotte Ward at the time*

      *I say “at the time” but it appears to have taken Charlotte 6 months to catch up, as this is from September 2015 (Dani’s original rant is from March 2015).

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      • Interesting what DLV says about Gerrish offering the kids “protection”. Sounds as though he wanted to take over the story, put the videos out without the kids’ pictures, etc. If this is true, I can’t see Abe agreeing to it—the hoax was his, dammit! He has always wanted full editorial control, and has screaming hissy fits when anyone messes with that. It’s always been Abe’s way or the highway.

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  2. I agree – the only way forward is through dialogue, and compassion, not war. Katrina is now experiencing what everyone else accused in this fiasco has already had to live through. As EC says, each and every person who has suffered will recognise the impact such attacks have, they are highly invasive, and frightening. We should applaud the three ladies for having the courage to say what they determined after investing time in analysing some of the evidence. I applaud their efforts, we now have some common ground, let’s try and work with that, and build upon such victories.

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  3. Ok. Of course I agree with “supporting them”, in principle, but how exactly?
    I would think, by continuing to confront & take down hoax promoters? Because those would likely be the same folk now harassing them also?

    I can’t see “supporting them unconditionally” or “on all fronts”. If they are still embedded in Truther culture, as they appear to be. Because that means they aren’t rationalists, as most of us here seem to be. – ?

    But whatever else you might propose, we can’t let anything disrupt the unity of this community surely? We don’t fight with each other, like the Truthers do, and can’t let that happen here eh? I’m personally not going to presume to lecture anyone else from here, about their words/behaviour here or anywhere else.

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    • First, I agree, nothing should be allowed to disrupt our community here. We’ve built something very important, and as you say, despite occasional disagreements I think we’ve managed to stick together admirably.

      That said, I should probably have been more clear about what I meant by offering support to those who have stuck their heads above the parapet on Hoaxtead, but whose other beliefs clash with ours in many ways.

      We can’t agree with them on all fronts; that’s very clear. I don’t think anyone here believes that there is an organised Satanic cult out there abusing children, though as some have pointed out, different people have adopted the trappings of what they imagine Satanism is, and used it to terrorise their victims.

      We can’t agree that the Sandy Hook killings were a hoax; nor that there is a secret network of tunnels underneath a pizza parlour in D.C. Those are things we’ve seen satisfactorily debunked, and to go back on that would be ludicrous on our part.

      However, as Lou Scannon pointed out at the top of today’s comments, Abraham Christie has now started trying to stem the anti-Hoaxtead tide by making stupid allegations about ET; and Kristie Sue has followed up with the same claim on ET’s channel.

      I think that the best way some of us can offer support is by pointing out the self-serving stupidity of that sort of claim. That doesn’t mean I want everyone here to rush over and jump aboard, but I do think that if anyone is so moved, it’s not a bad thing to do. For those who wouldn’t be caught dead there, that’s fine too.

      Another way to offer support is to answer questions about the hoax. This blog now contains nearly 2,000 posts, and despite best efforts to use tags and categories efficiently, it can be difficult at times to lay hands on specific bits of information. So if someone comes here asking for info, I think it’s very appropriate to answer them politely, and let them go on their way. I’d suggest that we treat visitors here with the same basic courtesy we’d hope to receive from them.

      If we decided, as a group, to do only those two things, I think that would provide a degree of support we can all feel comfortable with, without compromising our core principles. However, I’m very open to argument and discussion on this. To be really honest, I wasn’t expecting that anyone from the other side would ever come to us for information, so I was completely unprepared and hadn’t really thought about the eventuality!

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      • I think there’s a middle ground.

        I’m glad that the women involved did some research and debunked Hampstead. I don’t agree with them on a range of other issues, but had hoped we could develop some kind of debate about that. To do so would have involved biting tongues on occasion and being patient with each other, and you never know, we might have all learned something. Perhaps some rationalism would have rubbed off.
        Oh well. Bit of a missed opportunity imo.

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  4. It is too complex, I suppose, and the rage too great. I was not trying to lecture, although it may have come out like that, apologies if it did feel like that. It was an attempt to convey my feelings about what has happened. General observations of what works and what does not, even though I am not very good at doing that myself, in real life.
    It may just have been an issue of timing. Or me not following precisely enough to comment on the whole thing.
    It is important we do not fight here amongst ourselves, but it is equally dangerous for everyone to meld into one and lose their individuality, or independent thought, to not be able to somehow voice feelings that seem to go against what the majority of others are experiencing at the same time. How you do that is indeed a difficult thing.

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  5. Support them on some matters because they are now stating the bleeding obvious or attack them for their their transgressions like claiming terrible events are ‘false flags’?
    What a choice.

    Katrina McCaffery intones on one of her posts “my online research” which about sums up the efforts of this mob. Surfing the web.

    Also seems to be involved in a few “non-profit” organizations about “child trafficking” which rings alarm bells for me. I need real proof money received goes to where it matters especially when you are asking for donations for office equipment, computers etc to combat a mythical “child trafficking” industry which is one of their creation and little to do with real child indentured slavery in Third World countries.

    I’ve seen one too many of these “charities” where donations pay for air fares and hotels to places like India or Cambodia and “reports” are compiled that ask for yet more money to repeat the process over again.

    Using their tactics : I say you are a bunch of frauds and scamsters tugging at people’s heart strings (I’m not convinced by endless pretty profile photos repeatedly posted which reeks of narcissism) but you cam always prove me wrong. Please do so.

    Am I being tough? You betcha.

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  6. Sam, you don’t need to worry about that nice Mr. Shurter giving Spiny all the attention any more.
    He’s obsessed with Justin now 😀

    And in case you missed it:

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    • Those “retribution” plans that he was talking about in a recent videos seem to be gathering steam:

      I really do feel that he’s planning something nasty (remember – he lives in the land of the shooting spree). Thank Christ the police and the courts are monitoring his channel, blog and Farcebook page.

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    • Dipstick Shyster has been obsessed with me for many, many years, dear. Primarily because I’ve been exposing and making a fool of him for that long, and ignoring his feeble responses.

      But there is an issue here that I might as well address, because a similarly stupid non-argument has been used in the UK with respect to historic SRA case allegations. Historic UK satanic panic promoters have also insinuated that one-on-one, face-to-face was the only means of communicating information and ideas “back in the day”. Seriously. GOS started debunking that siliness yesterday, let’s bury it forever today:

      -Books, obviously, especially mass publication paperbacks like “Michelle Remembers” was.
      -Movies, both “hollywood” and documentary
      -Radio broadcasts, especially traditional evangelical broadcasting
      -TV broadcasts
      -Newspapers
      -Telephones – yes, believe it or not, people used to talk to friends and relatives all over the world and sometimes for hours and hours, over their phones! Even trans-atlantic! And still do…
      -Evangelical testimonialist circuit and church congregations generally – HUGE in the 1970 & 1980s especially, frauds like John Todd and Mike Warnke literally spent most of the year travelling around giving satanic panic lectures to church congregations throughout North America, the UK, Latin America and other Western nations. And members of church congregations who attended such “testimonies” transmitted those ideas to others in their communities through all of the above means, as well as face-to-face gossip.
      -ZINES and newsletters – also huge in the 70s & 80s, and the principle means by which little subcultures “spread the word” about themselves and communicated with their membership. There were SRA survivor claimant newsletters as early as the 1980’s
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine

      -Professional and academic conferences and networking – psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, foster parents, law enforcement, and many other fields, have used conferences and professional networking to keep their membership “up to date”with the latest info of interest to them.
      -Group therapy – has been going on forever, and lots of mental patients and addicts have picked up crazy ideas from each other through such emotionally intense encounters
      -Informal social gossip – taking place EVERYWHERE in our society – from the hair styling parlor to the playground, to the pub/bar, etc.

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      • Thanks, Justin. Very interesting.

        By the way, did you hear Dave lying about us changing our minds about what country you’re in? I don’t think any of us have ever stated that you’re in the UK – or indeed anywhere – as he claims. In fact, I have no idea where you are and that’s entirely your business. You’re a decent guy whether you’re in Buenos Aries or Timbuk-bleedin’-tu!

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        • Ahhh….thanks, Liza!
          I think the current theories are; that I’m just a rogue ‘program’ circulating endlessly on the internet with no physical location, or, that I live in a satellite circulating round the earth and “broadcasting” myself into internet lines from there. 🙂

          I’ve certainly never claimed to be a resident of the UK. Ever.

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        • LOL! No, no, you have that backward 🙂
          No offense, but that’s not correct. Bob Wilson’s books are very clever satire of various ‘traditional’ conspiracy theories. They are intended to be COMEDY and understood that way. He was a genuine scholar ABOUT conspiracy theories, however. But no, Bob Wilson did not INVENT Illuminati conspiracy theory, he only made fun of it.

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          • Yes, I never intended to accuse him of actually believing in conspiracy theories and was in no way blaming him for them. And I did stress that they were fictional novels. It’s the conspiratwunts misinterpreting them that’s caused all the bovva. I didn’t realise that he’d based them on previous theories, though. Thanks for that very…er…illuminating information.

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      • Yes, strange as it might seem, people were communicating prior to the internet! I remember the panic of the 80s and 90s, and it seemed as though it was on everyone’s lips.

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        • Hey, some of us are still right at home with traditional methods of communication. Beats the internet any day. Here’s a pic of me from last Tuesday:

          The only snag is that every time I try to log on I set off my bloody smoke alarm.

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        • The Satanic panic of the late eighties was very well publicised in newspapers and on Radio and TV. Evangelical Christians in the UK, just as in the US, promote it heavily as it justified their world view.

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          • I was taken in by the panic in the 80’s then started to listen to some of the people who were at the forefront of it. There was some Welsh lady who was speaking at social work conferences and used to go on about how homoeopathy was Satanic. It was then I started to suspect bollox was at play.

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  7. This is pretty good, mostly factual:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

    “The Order of the Illuminati was an Enlightenment-age secret society founded by university professor Adam Weishaupt on 1 May 1776, in Upper Bavaria, Germany. The movement consisted of advocates of freethought, secularism, liberalism, republicanism, and gender equality, recruited from the German Masonic Lodges, who sought to teach rationalism through mystery schools. In 1785, the order was infiltrated, broken up and suppressed by the government agents of Charles Theodore, Elector of Bavaria, in his preemptive campaign to neutralize the threat of secret societies ever becoming hotbeds of conspiracies to overthrow the Bavarian monarchy and its state religion, Roman Catholicism.[37]

    “In the late 18th century, reactionary conspiracy theorists, such as Scottish physicist John Robison and French Jesuit priest Augustin Barruel, began speculating that the Illuminati had survived their suppression and become the masterminds behind the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror. The Illuminati were accused of being subversives who were attempting to secretly orchestrate a revolutionary wave in Europe and the rest of the world in order to spread the most radical ideas and movements of the Enlightenment—anti-clericalism, anti-monarchism, and anti-patriarchalism—and to create a world noocracy and cult of reason.

    “During the interwar period of the 20th century, fascist propagandists, such as British revisionist historian Nesta Helen Webster and American socialite Edith Starr Miller, not only popularized the myth of an Illuminati conspiracy but claimed that it was a subversive secret society which served the Jewish elites that supposedly propped up both finance capitalism and Soviet communism in order to divide and rule the world. American evangelist Gerald Burton Winrod and other conspiracy theorists within the fundamentalist Christian movement in the United States—which emerged in the 1910s as a backlash against the principles of Enlightenment secular humanism, modernism, and liberalism—became the main channel of dissemination of Illuminati conspiracy theories in the U.S.. Right-wing populists, such as members of the John Birch Society, subsequently began speculating that some collegiate fraternities (Skull and Bones), gentlemen’s clubs (Bohemian Club), and think tanks (Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission) of the American upper class are front organizations of the Illuminati, which they accuse of plotting to create a New World Order through a one-world government.[6]

    There is no evidence that the Bavarian Illuminati survived its suppression in 1785”

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  8. Anyhooo – for the sake of it…

    I wish to publicly thank the 3 ladies who took the time to research and broadcast their very insightful debunking of the Hampstead Hoax. THANK YOU! 🙂

    And I invite anyone else who wishes to, to join me in this vote of thanks.
    (No judgement placed on anyone who does not)

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  9. All “Truthers” and Satan Hunters note that Alex Jones refused to touch this Hampstead SRA hoax when it first appeared, and still refuses to touch it, this is a useful red flag to show that even amongst the leading conspiracy theorists this hoax has never been taken seriously.

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    • So…Steve Crosley’s gonna maim an old foe and shoot a bunch of civil servants, Dave Shurter’s gonna shoot all his neighbours and Kane Slater’s gonna blow up Times Square. Should be a busy few weeks. Hope you’ve got your typing paws ready, EC!

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