We know there are still a few people who cling to the Hoaxtead pushers’ delusional theory, and insist that RD’s children would not, could not have been coached to make the detailed accusations they did.
Never mind that Abrella took them to Morocco for a month, where they beat, kicked, suffocated, and threatened the children, poured water on them in their underwear, dragged them out of bed to rehearse…according to the Hoaxteaders, this is all a side issue.
Where’s the proof that Abe and Ella coached the kids?
Here.
It’s right here.
In their arrogance (and their desperation to salvage internet fame from the shambles they’ve created), Abrella have posted a nearly 3-hour-long epic video featuring the videos that Jean-Clement Yaohirou made when the children were taken to his house and forced to perform their act for him.
Rather than subjecting you to the entire thing, which features images and names of both children, one of our brilliant team members has edited it down to the bare essentials.
The following video contains disturbing subject matter which might trigger those who have been subjected to sexual or other abuse. Please proceed with caution.
(There’s a slight audio gap at about 40 seconds, where a child’s name has been blanked out.)
There you have it. Christie urging the children along, working himself into a frenzy of excitement as they yell, “Kill! Kill! Kill the babies!” together.
It’s stomach-churning stuff. And it belies everything Abrella has tried to sell the gullible witch-hunters.
How sickening that is to listen to. Abraham proves what a sick man he is and if anyone can still defend him after hearing this then they need a check up from the head up.
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I couldn’t agree more. It’s chilling.
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Yes that is definitely coaching.
I am amazed that anyone can honestly still defend a monster like Christie.
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Yes, join the club.
I could never see how anyone believed him, but this is over the top.
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I wonder what Ella Draper sees in that creep Abraham Christie.
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Honestly? A way to get back at RD. That’s my best guess.
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A hard price to pay to get back at RD.
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But isn’t that often the way? An obsession with vengeance is a trap–it almost never ends well.
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True.
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Revenge is certainly the most plausible motive…but how could any mother go to such grotesque lengths to get back at her ex, imperiling the physical and psychological health of her very own children in the process, unless she’s deeply deranged as well? I think we can all agree that AC is a sociopathic freak, but I personally believe her psych problems are every bit as profound. I also think a picture of Abrella should accompany the definition of ‘folie a* deux’ in every dictionary and diagnostic psych manual on the planet! (*Sorry – still can’t work out accents on this phone…)
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The twisted creepy child-abusing freak will have plenty of time to practise that chant in prison. I don’t think it’ll make him too popular on E-wing, though.
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No, I hear they’re not keen on child abusers there. If he thought jail in Spain was fun….
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Abe’s not happy with us over this, hehe. Still, at least he’s maintained his dignity and not made a twunt of himself. Oh wait…
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Aw…poor Abe. He hates it when we point out his lies.
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He’s a walking dictionary definition of ‘desperate’, isn’t he.
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Indeed.
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When I first saw the videos of those children, I sort of believed them. I called my daughter saying ‘ I have never seen anything like this’ adding ‘they won’t be online for long’, sure that they would be taken down as soon as they came to the attention of the authorities. It was on Above Top Secret and they were taken down pretty quickly. I did say though that there was something not quite right about them but I couldn’t put my finger on quite what it was. Of course it did sink in that it was everything that was wrong about them.
The attitude and manner of the adults, the setting, the children’ s appearance, their naivety regards the reality of the sexual abuse that they were describing.
Those first police interviews where they described Christie’s treatment of them, whilst still defending him really is all that I needed to clear any lingering doubt. I can still recall the little girl saying ‘but we wanted him to hurt us’. I was angry and sad at the same time.
I notice too that Christie and the ragged band that endorse him seem to have a default position of disgusting language and an angry and violent attitude. This, whilst at the same expounding love and light to all and throwing in any manner of airy fairy New Age woo. I suppose really that those people are damaged in some way and lack the simple capacity to see themselves as others see them. Or even how unbalanced they are.
There is something too about how couples like Draper and Christie feed off each other. I can think of a few more notorious examples of couples, usually with one being dominant and the other compliant who commit terrible crimes.
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I think you’re describing a sequence of events that was common to many of us here. The original videos were shocking, but when looked at more deeply, it becomes clear that something is very wrong with the story as presented. There are far too many holes, which suddenly become clear when the children begin speaking openly about Abe.
In this clip I’m hearing children who want to please–and avoid more beatings–by playing along with something they don’t understand. Christie and Draper are like cheerleaders, egging them on and trying to build excitement. It’s disgusting.
As for couples who feed off one another in that way–yes. I’ve long felt that Abe and Ella have complementary pathologies.
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The part with the children saying they wanted him to hurt them, made me sad and angry too. Knowing what Abraham must have put then through in order to defend him like that.
Disturbingly, I have found some of Abe and Ella’s supporters using that as a defence for his actions. One even made the ridiculous claim that it is common practice for ‘psyhcotherapists’ to break down children to get the truth.
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Good grief. If a psychotherapist did that they’d be struck off, post-haste.
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And lest we forget Belinda’s attempt to justify and trivialise Abe hitting the children with spoons.
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Yes, everyone is quick to excuse Abe his abuses. After all, this could be The Case, the one that ‘proves’ their SRA theory. What are a few burns, cuts, and bruises in comparison?
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‘Are you getting the picture now?’
Yes thanks Abe, we all got it very well indeed. You twisted sicko.
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Angela & Deborah’s latest liked/promoted video, all about how Hollywood is one giant witch’s coven.
Sample quote (31:52): “Everyone knows that Shirley Temple left Hollywood because she wouldn’t get into the whole witchcraft scene.” XD
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“Everybody knows”…is that like “it’s common knowledge that…”? What a pair of dolts.
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“I like the sound of it”
Yip, Abe claims to believe these children were raped and forced to commit murder, but likes the sound of them chanting “kill kill kill”.
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Yes, that’s the real key to the thing. Abe likes hearing it, so the kids oblige. Who knows? They might not get beaten this time, if they chant with sufficient enthusiasm.
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This was one of the aspects discussed in the Pauffley fact-finding judgement:
Click to access gareeva-dearman-2015.pdf
(paras 78-108).
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Yes, that’s right. Until now, though, the actual video hasn’t been available.
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Blimey – good spot, Supernova. With these recordings, Abe’s basically confirmed that that whole section of the court hearing report is correct, despite so many months of him and his supporters vehemently claiming it was all bullshit.
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Yes, I tried to tell some Hoaxteaders early on that this had happened, only to have them claim that the judgement had been manufactured to frame Abrella. Wonder what they’d say now?
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Worth asking that as an open question in a post, perhaps? Just a thought.
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Oh, absolutely. Never miss a chance to say ‘we told you so’! 🙂
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You’ve asked in the past whether he’s a psychopath. He certainly fits the bill for Antisocial Personality Disorder:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
From the DSM-IV
A) A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
Or if you prefer the ICD-10:
It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.
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We’re no psychologists here, but this sounds remarkably familiar. We’re sure his ex-wife and children would agree.
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Paragraph 95 of the court fact-finding report pertains to this recording and is totally accurate. 96 is very telling too, though:
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Yes, he and Ella were up nights plotting it all out, hauling the kids out of bed to recite their lines and learn new ones. Poor Abrella. All that hard work, and this is the thanks they get?
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How many times have seen comments from the Hoaxters about how late the Police interviewed them??
Looks like the children were used to being up late….
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Yes, very true.
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And para. 106:
“Another significant feature of the audio recording relates to the intense animation generated by Mr Christie when he is urging the children to chant, over and over again, “Kill the babies … Kill, kill, kill … Let’s say it together … I like the sound of it! ” The children, unsurprisingly, join in with the chanting and Mr Christie’s evident excitement.”
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I’d love to hear Abe and his creepy followers try to deny this now. We’ve basically got them by the short ‘n’ curlies 🙂
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What do you bet they’ll accuse us of cherry-picking our facts? LOL 😉
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I can’t say I have any argument with HHJ Pauffley’s analysis there.
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Justice Pauffley seems to have done her work very thoroughly. Her judgement in the light of all the evidence seems very sound.
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Perhaps this is the silver lining to the tragedy of this case. The coaching of the children is so blatant, and the origin of the narrative so obviously lies with the adults, that it cannot be denied.
In many of the classic cases of SRA accusations, from the 1980’s & 90’s, there was no documentation like this of how a small child came to be a loudspeaker broadcasting some adult’s perverse fantasies. The process involved was essentially invisible to outsiders, which made denial that there had been such a process seem more plausible.
This case shines a spotlight of truth, backward through time (hello, mr einstein!), illuminating the unseen reality in prior cases.
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Yes, I think you’ve nailed it. This video demonstrates very clearly how the children were turned into Abrella’s little loudspeakers.
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Well that is one of the sickest videos I have heard. This man is a dangerous monster. The authorities must have an EU extradition order out for him surely. If the UK government can participate in the process of detaining Julian Assange they surely could pull their fingers out and track down this ghastly creep and his co-conspirator.
Why the police tolerate him spreading his vicious bile from Spain is a mystery. I can only hope they are onto his case and it’s just an unfortunate lengthy process. But when you look at how they invaded the privacy so publicly of an aged war hero and certain entertainers so quickly, while this pair of abusers mock the law, you have to wonder that our police are now out of their depth.
As for his supporters who we all know of, they are as sick as he is. They cherry-pick what they want to hear to re-enforce their own twisted hellish minds. They are vile child abusers themselves. They applaud the posting of Abe’s videos that may (but I dearly hope they will not) haunt these kids for years to come.
But their intentions are clear. Sick twisted minds obsessed with child abuse, murder and rape that seize upon any lurid claim while at the same time, they are probably would be oblivious to abuse right under their noses.
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Yes indeed, Sam. I would be somewhat comforted if I knew that the police were actively pursuing having these two sick people extradited to face justice here. As it is, we’re not kept apprised of the police and CPS’s intentions, but we can hope. Perhaps, as you say, it’s just taking a longish time, for reasons unknown to us.
As for Abrella’s followers–some I think are well-intentioned but misguided; others are actively malicious, and seem overly fascinated with the lurid and sexualised aspects of this case, while ignoring the very real child abuse that went on before the children were removed from Ella’s care.
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The hoaxer crew are definitely starting to give up the ghost, methinks. I’ve been doing some reckying:
Last blog posts from…
…Eaten Lives Matter: 7th Feb
…Dearman Does Hampstead: 6th Feb
…Whistleblowerkids: 6th Feb
…Cannabis Cures Cancer: 30th Jan
Last Hampstead-related post from Co-Creating Our New Earth: 19th Jan
Last Hampstead-related video from Guidance 2222: 15th January
Last Facebook post from Deborah Mahmoudieh: meh, who cares?
Oh and Alan Wrightson’s blog is now marked private 😀
https://alanwrightson.wordpress.com
Meanwhile, Hoaxtead Research continues to get 1000+ views per day and is a veritable hive of activity in the comment threads. Let’s hear it for that nice Mr. Coyote 🙂
And great work, everyone else too!
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I’ve been saying that there has been a marked decline since the last quarter of 2015.
I reckon the lack of news of the supposed February court case has banged another nail into the coffin, there has been disillusionment among even Abe’s weirdest supporters for some time now.
Even the mentally ill get bored and move on to something more titillating eventually.
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Check out Pookster’s comment below. S/he makes a very similar point:
“What happens when you have no avenue left and all your supporters have moved on to the next conspiracy? Let’s face it – when you’re appealing to Flat Earthers for support, then you know you are desperate.”
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…Last Hampstead-related video from Biddy Baboon: 27th December
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Abe’s desperation is palpable.
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The whole recording reveals a whole lot more with careful listening, agree with pooksters comments.
It sounds like they were already in trouble for not returning a week earlier with the passports as well as taking them out of the EU, but of course all the solicitors are in the cult too.
It also sounds like Abe makes an accusation against someone else liking to touch just before they leave JC’s house.
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He does. More to follow on this.
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Ok, you will probably do a better job than me.
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LOL, don’t sell yourself short–but I’ll do my best to do it justice.
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Pookster touches on so many fascinating details here, as usual. Thanks for sharing it, CP!
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Considering these recordings were referred to extensively in the court hearing report, Abe has a fascinating definition of “concealed evidence”.
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Concealed by himself, as it contains so much incriminating evedence against himself. He has nothing left to give his followers, they are so blind to the truth they will only hear things that confirm their belief.
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Yes, it seems extraordinary to me that Abrella decided to publish this, as it contains so much incriminating evidence. I’m just working on a blog post about that….
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