Sabine McNeill on trial: Day 7

Yesterday we reported on the surprise arrest of Paul Rogers, aka Eddieisok, who was accused of contempt of court due to having uploaded videos containing the name of a witness in Sabine McNeill’s trial, in contravention of a reporting restriction. 

Readers may also be aware of a number of threats against the judge in Sabine’s trial, as well as against EC, made by John Paterson during a Facebook livestream with his friend Andy Devine yesterday evening. 

Today both those issues came to a head, which made for a rather chaotic day at Southwark Crown Court. 

Finding Eddie

After being informed that Sabine’s trial would be starting at noon rather than 10:30 a.m. as originally scheduled, we learned that Rogers’ hearing would be taking place…but we weren’t able to ascertain exactly where. Because of the reporting restriction, his name had been blanked on the daily case list in the lobby, but eventually we worked out that the hearing would be held in Court 5.

At 11:15 we were allowed into the court, where a new-to-us judge whose name we never learned asked Rogers whether he had come to a decision about whether to accept a solicitor.

Rogers stated that he would like one, and since it was apparently imperative that the case be concluded today, the judge adjourned the hearing to enable the solicitor of Rogers’ choice to be brought in. If they were unable to get this solicitor, she said, another arrangement would have to be made. 

Back to Sabine

Following Rogers’ hearing, we went back upstairs to Court 11, where a number of people had gathered already. One of those was indeed John Paterson, but he made no attempt to speak with EC, nor were any wood-chippers seen in proximity. 

A court police officer did approach EC at one point to say that the video made by Paterson and Devine had come to the court’s attention, and that they were taking steps to ensure everybody’s safety. 

Shortly afterward, the same officer announced to those of us waiting outside Courtroom 11 that the judge had placed a condition for entry to the public gallery: when the time came for us to go into the public gallery we would all need to present a valid photo ID and current address. 

Edward W. Ellis, Equity Lawyer, made an appearance, trying to engage with the court police officer and demanding that she take a printed sheet of paper in to the judge, as it contained crucial evidence without which this case could not continue. It was difficult to understand what he was saying, exactly, but he seemed to believe that his “evidence” would somehow assist in Paul Rogers’ trial, as well. 

Despite the police officer saying she had nothing to do with either case, Ellis continued to demand that she take the “evidence” to the judge. 

“If you have evidence, you need to give it to the court”, the officer said. Fortuitously, at that very moment Sabine’s defense team could be seen coming down the hall, so Ellis turned his attention to them. 

Despite their protests that they really didn’t have time, Ellis began to explain his involvement in Sabine and Neelu’s 2016 trial. Tana Adkin QC politely excused herself, saying she was needed in court, leaving barrister Tom Stevens to cope as best he could.

By the time Ellis got to the part about the “corruption remedy process”, Stevens said he really didn’t have time to digest this at present, but would look at it later. At this point, he was (mercifully) called into the courtroom. 

Witness 1

Witness 1, whose testimony had been partially heard on Monday, took the witness box and resumed testifying. 

Miranda Moore QC, prosecuting, asked the witness whether they were aware of a blog called Hampstead Research

“Very much so”, said the witness. 

The jury saw a screenshot from the former blog, in which a member of their family, as well as their child, had been named. The post contained allegations that the witness and their family member had been involved in child abuse, and made reference to their business interests, claiming that these enabled them to participate in trafficking of babies for purposes of ritual slaughter. 

Asked how this had affected them, the witness said it had been very upsetting and distressing. They said the accusations had “stepped over another boundary” and had led to them feeling very much under attack, and their privacy further invaded. 

Moore drew the witness’ attention to a “petition update” posted by Sabine McNeill on 3 March 2015, featuring a “Hampstead action plan”. Here, Sabine referred to a plan that “amuses and impresses me”: the suggestion was to take red nail polish and pour it over Barbie-type dolls, which would then be posted to various businesses in Hampstead with a note urging the recipients to “attack child abuse in Hampstead”.

Moore also noted a post dated 4 November 2016 on Sabine’s Whistleblower Kids blog, which contained a link to the Hampstead Cover-Up blog belonging to Abraham Christie and Ella Draper. On the linked page, the witness’ child was named in full. 

Other links were noted: one led to an article about Kendall House, a Church of England care home in Kent, which was in turn linked to a list of allegations regarding sexual abuse in the Church of England. Another led to the DDoesHampstead blog, and a call for alleged abusers to submit to investigation to determine whether they had tattoos which matched those allegedly described by P and Q. 

On Sabine’s Google Drive, the witness described finding references to themselves and their child. There was also a file containing extracts from Sabine’s police charge sheet, containing the particulars of her 16 November 2017 charges of stalking causing alarm and distress. 

Jake Clarke

Jake Clarke had entered the courtroom during Witness 1’s testimony, and had attempted unsuccessfully to engage EC in conversation. Despite being informed that EC had no wish to speak to him, he persisted, asking whether she was addicted to drinking babies’ blood, and whether that was the attraction to the cult.

Following Witness 1’s testimony, court was adjourned for lunch. On our return to the hall, we were asked once again to provide ID to enter the court. While this was going on, Jake began insisting loudly that the guard who was taking people’s information use a fresh sheet of paper, as he didn’t want “the enemy” to know where he lived. 

This precipitated a heated exchange of words with several people waiting in the hall, with Jake accusing some people of drinking babies’ blood, and those people responding angrily. The usher of the court came out to calm things, and people proceeded into the court, but Jake claimed that he was not allowed inside. We don’t know why that would have been. 

Cross-examination

On cross-examination, Adkin asked the witness about their initial impression of Abraham Christie. The witness stated that they had found him aggressive, and that they had been afraid of him. 

Adkin asked whether the witness had recorded any of the death threats they had received by phone. The witness responded that they had not. They stated that these threats generally came in via withheld or unknown numbers, and that they still have a residual nervousness about any call they receive in which the number is withheld. They stated that at the time, they had told the police about the death threats they had received by phone and email. The emails are still on the witness’ computer. 

Adkin asked whether specific sites had been involved in putting up videos. The witness said there had been many, including Tiny Magical Creatures, Happy Brewer, and others. Asked what search terms they used to find these videos, the witness specified “Hampstead”, “Christ Church Primary School”, and “Christ Church Hampstead”, among others. 

Asked about the parent meeting at which the police had informed the parents that they were dealing with the problem, the witness said that the parents had had to struggle to get anybody to help them. They said they had contacted the school, the school governors, the police, their local MP—”We were desperate for help”. 

Adkin asked whether it was correct to assume that within the parents’ group, some people took on different areas of responsibility. The witness said that on the contrary, it had been a patchwork.

“Nobody was tasked with any one role; all the parents were being vigilant”, they said. “Everybody in the school was affected”. 

Asked whether they had been aware of any attempt to target Sabine, the witness said that they had known Sabine’s address, but only because it was posted freely on her websites. However, they said they were not aware of any attempt to target her. 

Adkin asked why, in the witness’ statement, they had used material from the Wayback Machine, an internet archive. “Over four years, some things were taken down from the internet”, the witness said. “For example, I knew I had seen a series of posts by Belinda McKenzie, but they were no longer online, so I used the Wayback Machine to find them”. 

Asked whether they had used the Wayback Machine to get to the Tap Newswire blog with the initial videos, the witness said this was correct. They explained that in lieu of using a number of screenshots in a row in their witness statement, they had elected to use an online app called Nimbus, which showed the entire post in one scroll. 

Adkin asked about the use of the Wayback Machine or Nimbus on a piece of evidence from the Aangirfan blog. The witness said they had referenced this site originally in a previous statement, but that when they were making their statement for this case they had had to use to Wayback Machine to find the same evidence. 

Adkin asked whether the Nimbus tool to screenshot allows one to go back to find archived internet material. The witness explained that this was not the case; rather, Nimbus is simply a way of taking a screenshot of a whole scroll, rather than having to piece together multiple screenshots of the same post. 

Asked whether they received any alerts to new publications about the Hampstead hoax as they became available, the witness said they had not. 

The witness said that to the best of their knowledge, the Hampstead Cover-up blog was run by Abraham Christie and Ella Draper. Adkin asked whether Jacqui Farmer was the person who had posted the blog about the witness’ family member and child. The witness responded that Jacqui Farmer had posted a series of videos, but they did not know her real identity, nor where she lived. 

Re-examination

Saying she wanted to ask a few questions, Moore clarified with the witness that their use of Nimbus when listing evidence merely enabled them to do a screenshot in one long scroll which could be seen on the computer there and then, while the use of the Wayback Machine was, quite literally, to enable the witness to retrieve posts, literally, from “way back”. 

Moore asked when the death threats began, following the initial email from the school on 5 February 2015. They started within the first couple of weeks, said the witness. Asked when the Whistleblower Kids blog first came to their attention, the witness said it had been quite early on—perhaps in the first month.

Witness 2

The second witness of the day took the box. Moore asked how the witness had become aware of the situation. The witness stated that they had heard a lot from the other parents, and that they had been aware of the email from the school. “However, I was not sure what it was about”. 

The witness said that when they had first viewed the P and Q videos, they had felt shocked, and very sorry for the children. They said that their child had had some playdates with Ella Draper’s children, as they had all started at Christ Church Primary School at about the same time, and the witness had encouraged their child to be nice to P and Q.

They recalled sending their child to a playdate at Ella’s house, but said, “I never got involved in the playground, I never spent time there” as they considered it a space for their child. However, they said they had heard about Abe from their child, who had described him turning up shirtless in the playground. 

Asked about how they had become aware of the material online, the witness said they did not know who had written it, but that it had been published by a blog called Aangirfan. In the comments section of that blog, an anonymous commenter had shared a list of names which included the witness’ name.

“It was exploding all at the same time”, the witness said, describing seeing 15 or more videos on a Google Drive. At first they thought the videos belonged to Ella, but they later realised that they belonged to Sabine. 

Asked how they had felt when they realised that their child’s name as well as their own was published online in this context, the witness said they had felt sick.

They became aware of links to the P and Q videos, describing them as “oil on a fire”. They noted a link to an online publication called Veterans Today, which contained the same document that was available on a petition on Change.org. The document was titled something like “Anonymous Publish Allegations about Hampstead”, they said. 

When they learned of the suggestion about “bloody Barbie dolls”, the witness said they felt disgusted, and feared that they or their child might receive one. They recalled that the suggestion had been changed after somebody commented negatively to Sabine.

The witness described their actions in the wake of the false allegations. They put a pillow and blanket on the floor of their child’s bedroom, along with their jacket, shoes, the dog’s leash, their mobile phone, and crutches, as they were then suffering from an injury. From that time on, for several months, they slept on the floor in their child’s room, fearing a possible kidnap attempt. 

They did drills with their children, telling them that it was in case of fire. “I told them to continue to the neighbours, don’t look back”, the witness said. 

Then they spent several days on Facebook, deleting all their children’s photos, removing all comments from their friends’ pages, and locking down their Facebook page. “I left pictures of food only”, they said. Asked why they had done this, the witness said, “I knew they would go to social media, so I decided to close mine”. 

They also deleted their LinkedIn and Google accounts. Despite this, they said, on the Hampstead Research blog the witness found videos insinuating that because they had closed their social media sites, they must have something to hide. 

The witness described finding Sabine’s suggestions that others investigate the parents both online and offline. “She told people to go to our addresses, to see who we were”, the witness said. 

They also described Sabine’s video discussions with Neelu Berry, in which they discussed how to kidnap the children involved. The purpose of this was to “save the kids”, but they did not mention which kids, leaving it open to interpretation. 

The witness also described the video with Angela Power-Disney and Sabine, in which they talked about not being able to track down P and Q, but decided to focus on the other 18 “special children”. “The conversation was broadcast so anyone could see them”, the witness said, adding that videos like this were going everywhere online, and that as a parent, they felt they had to follow these postings in order to protect their children. 

Asked about Rupert Quaintance, the witness said that they did not pay much attention to him in the beginning. They initially noticed a petition from Belinda McKenzie and Sabine’s Association of McKenzie Friends, where an update stated that Quaintance was coming to the UK; this contained a link to the GoFundMe page. 

The witness stumbled over their words, saying they found it hard to talk about how Rupert had said that maybe he needed to try having sex with children, to find out what all the fuss was about. 

Asked how they felt when they learned that Rupert was on his way, the witness said they wanted to wait with the police to stop him. “We followed him online around Europe”, they said, “and then he said he was in the UK”. 

The witness described how, on the first day of school in 2016, Rupert had posted a picture of himself standing outside Christ Church Primary School, claiming to be carrying a “biscuit”—by which he meant a knife. The witness immediately notified the police and the school, and picked their child up early from school that day. 

The witness said that Sabine had set up her blogs, Facebook, and Twitter so that each would lead to the next, bringing more views to her material. They said Sabine had more than 30 blogs, and described how they, too, were linked to one another. 

At this point, court adjourned for the day. 

Rogers trial concluded

We learned from someone who had gone downstairs to watch the Paul Rogers trial that he was found guilty of contempt of court for having published the name of a witness in this case on his YouTube video, and that he had been given a two month suspended sentence. He has also been banned from the court for the duration of Sabine’s trial.

Another altercation

Following adjournment for the day, EC went off in search of coffee. Later, she learned that an altercation had taken place outside the court, which had resulted in John Paterson being punched. This was confirmed by the Twitter account @courtnewsuk:

We later received an email from Paterson: 

We understand that Paterson did an interview on the Sean Maguire show this evening, and that this included his version of events, plus additional threats against EC. 

We will be following up on this. 

The trial continues tomorrow at 10:30 a.m.

57 thoughts on “Sabine McNeill on trial: Day 7

  1. Things are getting more weird but also more dangerous as each day of this court case goes by. The Satan Hunters are starting to get agitated towards EC, so I hope EC is careful not to be alone at anytime with these nutters.

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  2. Paterson’s note can be summed up as “Had enough, eh? Come back and take what’s coming to you, you yellow bastards!! Come back here and take what’s coming to you! I’ll bite your legs off!”

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  3. I really feel for the parents and their children. So sorry that they were put through this. I so wanted to undo their ability to carry on, for so long too.
    Zero sympathy for Praterson, tho…………… minus zero. Hope he is also dealt with.

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  4. That certainly was an eventful day! One has to wonder if the court staff & judge experience those kinds of scenes often & what do they themselves think of it all.

    I really respect the witnesses for speaking out about it & the harrowing descriptions of how they were & are coping in trying to keep their children safe.

    Will Rodgers be taught a lesson I wonder!

    Jake certainly has not! There should have been someone there to take him out of the equation & to stop scaring people with his nasty talk. I would have been quite frightened to be there listening to him.

    I can’t believe what has happened to Paterson, is it that he tripped or slipped on a straw & a hen kicked him!

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    • True, EC, it must have jolted you? What an arsehole, Jake really needs to be on the psych ward again, seems like his mental health is deteriorating further.

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    • If foul-mouthed little gobshites feel entitled to pollute a court building of all places, and to get in the faces of people attending a public hearing, there is a problem.

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      • On the plus side the court is being made all too aware of the nature of this case and the gang of loonies it attracts. it’s finally being dealt with. eddieisok got some pretty instant justice for his idiocy and i applaud the court for being so prompt swatting that irritating fly at a moment’s notice.

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        • Yes I dare say that their behaviour has been noted…
          The fact they are prepared to go so far in and around the courts only shows what they are capable of when they are away from such an environment, where security and cameras are everywhere…

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  5. Praterson will soon be locked up…impossible for the police and judge not to follow up on his death threats.
    Really enjoyed the update…the picture of the parent sleeping on the floor with crutches ready really made an impression on me, and I expect everyone else in the court room.

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  6. I applaud the bravery of the witnesses and innocent parents for having the courage to appear and give testimony given the shocking attempts at intimidation by dangerous fools like Patterson, eddieisok and the terminally idiotic Jake.

    It helps to actually hear what that have been through. It’s almost impossible to imagine how it has affected their lives so badly.

    Depressingly I typed in ‘Hampstead cover-up” into YT and up comes 100s of videos of the kids. When will politicians pull their fingers out and haul the rapacious tax-avoiding social mis-fits who own Google, YT , Facebook etc into line for deliberately avoiding the terrible consequences of their profit-making actions?

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    • Is that All.

      Someone I know close to this case told me that if one was to type in certain words on YouTube, it brought back…….

      ……….You may need to take a seat for this one…..

      ……..between 20 – 25……thousand videos of two people!

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  7. Paterson commented on how his eye felt after being punched again, it’s very sensitive madam. i had quarter pounder lamb burgers with mashed potato, carrots, peas and onion gravy for my supper. mmm

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  8. I don’t know if there is a right place to initiate conversations about people’s baby-blood-drinking addiction, but I am pretty sure that a court lobby is not it.
    Especially if you have not been formally introduced.

    I am going out on a limb here to speculate that Jake does not get many second dates.

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    • Excellent video.
      And rather than dismiss characters like Dunn as nutters they are more than that. They are sociopaths and Hampstead has attracted it’s fair share of psychopathic personalities as does “grifting” and criminal conning. These crimes require a lack of empathy for other people’s feelings. They will continue no matter what harm they do in order to rake in money. And they cannot be embarrassed.

      And the amount money can range from $Millions to small amounts depending on the cleverness of the con artist.
      Dunn is at the lowest level and as the video producer says: making money of imaginary child abuse (perfect as it can never be basically proved or disproved so it’s self perpetuating) while all around us..especially in the USA (40 million citizens?) live in shocking poverty.
      If he had any sense of “Christian” charity he would be out helping his fellow Ohioan citizens and their children who are trying to survive. There’s plenty of them.

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      • I thought this case had pretty much come to an end when Rupert was convicted but on it goes. The difference now is while there are those of us who have been around for quite a while (such as yourself Sam) there are many newer people who are disgusted by what they see with these people and who are quite active online inc many Americans too. People are sick to death of these self promoting scammers making money and a name for themselves off the backs of this awful case and others. The nutters and scammers may be a noisy bunch but they do not have as much support as they think.

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  9. You’re a trooper, EC. Thanks for all your hard work and resilience 🙂

    By the way, according to Eddieisok’s mate Angela, he was ordered by the court to remove the offending video. Is this correct? Either way, he hasn’t.

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  10. Angela’s outright lies on Dunnes video should not astound me anymore, but they still do, when she starts with the lies, basically when she opens her mouth, I get lockjaw all over again, (my dentist got quite a shock when it happened in his surgery one day).

    The downright lies that she tells are really over the top, she really is getting more outrageous each time she speaks to one of her looney friends!

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  11. “They put a pillow and blanket on the floor of their child’s bedroom, along with their jacket, shoes, the dog’s leash, their mobile phone, and crutches, as they were then suffering from an injury. From that time on, for several months, they slept on the floor in their child’s room, fearing a possible kidnap attempt. ”

    That bit got to me.

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    • Satan Hunters and paedophiles run close together. Where these Satan Hunters go, the paedophiles follow in their shadow. Just as Satan Hunters such as Angela Power Disney hunt the children, they direct paedophiles towards the children, for instance Rupert Wilson Quaintance IV could have been true to his words, kicked down doors, carried off a Hampstead child, had sex with the child.

      Even though the Satan Hunter and paedophiles have different intents towards children, both groups view children as objects, lack any empathy and compassion, and seek to predate upon children for their own pleasures, which often relates to some sexual-sadistic inclination.

      The families if Hampstead have every reason to feel terrified of the Satan Hunters, as they want to get at their children, and if they do, will hurt those children badly.

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      • Mr Brian Smilie, pal of Angela Power-Disney recommends that the video ordered to be removed by the Court should be uploaded to the Cloud- so it’s still available. He asks Peter Rogers / eddieisok to breach his suspended sentence within hours of receiving his court judgement.

        It examples how free and loose This Mob is with the law whilst hypocritically claiming to seek justice.

        But looking at his timeline Mr Smilie’s history is rather thin with no identifying posts, no personal photos, nothing that can identify him.
        As you can see he asks for anyone on his “friend’s list” (who could be complete strangers) to donate children’s sport’s clothes, both male and female for an un-named charity.
        This sounds highly unusual. Indeed it sounds bloody creepy.

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    • That really brought home just how scared that the parents were for the safety of their children. Ella and Abe have a lot to answer for, for starting this stupid hoax; as do many others who saw it as their path to fame and fortune.

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      • For starting it and continuing to promote out of sheer spite, when it was already clear that there stupid plot had failed and all they were doing was hurting innocent people.

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    • Brings home that this is affecting real people’s lives, it isn’t just a bit of cyber bullying that you can make go away by getting off social media. This is real world harassment and fear.

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  12. John Paterson has been on ‘Out of the Bag’ – Sean McGuire’s show. I don’t want to post it here because I’m not sure of whether he’s in contempt of court or not.
    He’s describing his Court experience and has some of the main players mixed up, doesn’t like the gender composition of the jury and apparently thinks the case is about Hoaxtead Research threatening to kill people’s children. I kid you not.

    Sean McGuire encourages him and joins in with his little anti-semitic slur at the beginning. He also doesn’t see fit to challenge John when he uses sexist and insulting words. Shame on you McGuire. John is obviously mentally unstable. What’s your excuse?

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      • I don’t get the big pharma can’t make a profit from generics/non patents angle. Has no one ever been to the chemist and seen packets of generic painkiller vs same painkiller in nice embossed box?

        Also that French sugar pill place with turnover of many millions.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiron

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  13. Thank you for these updates EC. There is some pretty harrowing evidence being heard. Look after yourself too 🙂

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  14. Sounds more like a circus than a criminal trial. Paterson and clarke need to visit the dock next. paul rogers is a silly little turd. how can anyone not know you shouldn’t film outside courts while reporting restrictions are in place after the tommy robinson debacle ? the man’s a fool.

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    • It is a bit more complicated than that. Naming witnesses whose names are protected is a no-no. Filming outside court could be OK. Hence, courts news UK service (actual real reporter people thingies writing news wot papers buy) snapping Mr Paterson.

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