Sabine McNeill to appeal sentence this week

/ 29/07/2019

Sabine McNeill, who was found guilty in December 2018 on four counts of stalking and six counts of breaching her 2016 restraining order, has received leave to appeal her nine-year sentence, reduced from 12 years on account of her age. Her appeal will be heard on Tuesday, 30 July, at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

We first learned that Sabine might have received leave to appeal her sentence two months ago, via a somewhat garbled announcement from her friend and sometime co-defendant, Neelu Berry.

Yesterday, Neelu published a slightly more coherent group email from Belinda McKenzie, offering a few further details:

According to Belinda, if Sabine’s appeal is successful she will once again be able to go online and share the amazing contents of her mind with the world. We suspect that this might not be a winning argument in court, as Sabine’s trial amply and vividly illustrated the tragic consequences of her having done just that.

In fact, Belinda’s argument that “whether still inside or…out on licence she can still use snail-mail and the telephone” is hardly reassuring to her victims, as two of Sabine’s restraining order breaches involved just such “analogue” activity once she’d been banned from using the internet while she was awaiting trial. Readers may recall that the last of these breaches resulted in her being remanded in custody for nine months prior to her trial.

It’s interesting to note that in contrast to Rupert Quaintance, who unsuccessfully appealed both his sentence and his verdict in October 2017, Sabine has only won leave to appeal her sentence. We don’t know whether she sought leave to appeal her verdict as well, but if she did it was turned down.

We’ll be following her appeal hearing, and will publish updates as soon as they become available.

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  1. Thanks for the update, EC.

    And yes, if Sabine’s got any sense she’ll ignore Belinda’s ‘advice by proxy’ and not tell the appeal judge that she’d like to carry on doing the stuff she got banged up for in the first place 🙄

    And it’s interesting what you say about Sabine only appealing her sentence and not her verdict, as it sounds like Belinda hasn’t quite grasped that. And it certainly doesn’t seem to have filtered down to the Sabine-supporters commenting under Neelu’s post:

    On a side point, do I take it Neelu’s glory days are behind her? Time was she used to regularly channel Lord Ashtar and Abraham Lincoln. And now the most distinguished luminary she can muster up is, er, Belinda? 🤦‍♂️

    (It’s 4:27 Malky, if you’re still monitoring my”arselicking” schedule.)

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    • Keep in mind, she got “banged up” this time, for breaching a court order from the last time. Methinks any judge will basically say “You were told to not post etc. You still posted on multiple occasions and deliberately placed vulnerable persons in harms way. There is no doubt that, if released, you would continue to do so as you believe laws don’t apply to you.”

      Personally, I’m hoping to see it raised to 12.

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      • Why would a man who supposedly co-runs the Hoaxtead blog need to “suck Karen’s arsehole”? Not sure Malky the Alky’s thought this through 😆

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    • I do hope her little friends turn up at court tomorrow. They were very helpful in illustrating to the judge at Sabine’s trial exactly what she had unleashed on an unsuspecting community.

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  3. There were one or two ‘interesting’ videos at the taIL end of the last post. Here’s a précis for anyone who missed them:
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    Devine whingeing about Wanoa’s daughter Tracey being kicked out of Daddy’s hospital by security last week:

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    And this is a recording of Tracey’s confrontation with the hospital staff. Apparently she hasn’t been allowed back since:

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    The (relatively) interesting bits are at 3:46, 26:35, 36:36, 48:39, 1:15:28, 1:25:05, 1:35:42, 1:38:07, 1:40:09, 1:46:54, 1:53:14, 2:02:28, 2:05:15 and 2:06:12

    And Devine interviews her at 2:07:30.

    Oh and if you fancy a drinking game, it’s two sups every time Tracey mentions fish ‘n’ chips to the hospital staff 🍺🍷🥂

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    Next up – Praterson and Devine 🙄🤦‍♂️🙄

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    Praterson lowlights:

    2:55 – “These people need to know that there’s some other assassins, ok, and they work now for the good side.”

    4:35 – Rants about Steve Martin, Jake’s court case, Hoaxtead, Charlotte Wright, Kelly Curtis and Sabine’s sentence

    8:46 – “Now, do you think you little bunch of fucking Hoaxtead trolls are gonna fucking stop us? bring it on! Because you’re gonna be the first ones to be fucking taken out. In fact, two of you still haven’t turned up for work. Where are they? Chip chop! Cheers”

    10:41 – “I’m telling you, Andy – these fucking bastards are gonna be hanging from trees.”

    33:55 – More attacks on Steve Martin and Hoaxtead

    51:14. – Another full on Hoaxtead rant, including calling the owner of this fine blog a “fat slag dyke” and a “Satanic Canadian purple-haired dyke”. He also refers to the Hampstead dad as a paedophile.

    I’ve reported the death threats and hate speech, btw.

    Oh and if you’re hoping to hear Andy ‘I don’t do death threats’ Devine put his foot down and put a stop to his mate’s illegal antics, you’ll be sorely disappointed. He laps it up and wholeheartedly approves, even bursting into laughter at one point.

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    And finally, what set of video shares would be complete without Neelu harassing some hapless innocent on the phone? And here she is, bang on cue, demanding the immediate release of Lynda thyer:

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      • Well, technically you can appeal if you pled guilty but this is usually only on the grounds of the plea not being voluntary, was pleaded on the basis of an erroneous ruling of the trial judge or if fresh evidence comes to light which undermines the safety of the conviction.

        However, as Neelu isn’t Noakes’ solicitor it will probably go in the bin.

        As for Sabine, one of the hazards of appealing a sentence is that it can also be increased. Her best hope would have been that her original sentence quelled the internet fever and her acolytes kept a low profile and ended their course of harassment. She could then try arguing it was excessive in order to satisfy the aims of justice angle.

        That they continue to harass people and make death threats might severely undermine her case and confirm the seriousness of Sabine’s actions if the CPS have been keeping on top of the continuing threats to innocent people from her supporters.

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        • I’ve never heard of such a long sentence being abandoned. I think at best 2 or 3 years shaved off but there would have to be compelling reasons such as mistakes in the sentencing remarks.
          I don’t wish McNeil any harm and was actually quite shocked at the length but then I wasn’t there to hear the victim’s testimony and an Appeal judge would have to take that into consideration.
          It’s not unknown for judges or magistrates to give sentences they know will be changed on appeal.

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    • It’s the public’s duty to inform The Met’s Protection Command who provide the Royal Protection Officers about those who post death threats against any royal. They cannot afford to take a chance. Either this mob are dangerous or could inspire an unhinged person to take action.
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7295539/Convicted-torturer-gets-feet-Prince-George-Princess-Charlotte-Prince-Louis.html
      # this bloke was probably just doing his job but it shows how sensitive the matter is:
      “Kensington Palace launches security review ‘after delivery driver with conviction for torture gets within feet of George, Charlotte and Louis'”

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    • And this is a recording of Tracey’s confrontation with the hospital staff

      I am not an expert but I believe the hospital staff are in a position to invoke the Privacy Act..Any Youtuba or Faceborg entry using clandestine recordings is possibly illegal.

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      • By now word would have gone around to all hospital staff to ignore these harassing idiots and not to indulge them and I should think NZ cops as well after Colin Devine’s mind-numbing rants.
        The hospital’s duty is to look after Wanoa’s health and that includes booting his daughter if she causes trouble.
        I guarantee Wanoa has settled in nicely for the long term. Probably been complaining they don’t serve fish and chips enough. Part of sectioning is to give the patient a long break from their daily life which impacts on their mental health.
        I reckon also some characters like that Arthur in Sydney moan to their online pals as their egos won’t allow them to say they are doing well.
        I have a friend in Sydney who knows the hospital Arthur has been in twice and he describes it as like a holiday camp with comfortable cottages where patients live, lots of recreation and extensive park lands.

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    • “Coughing up blood and passing out”.

      I am impressed how many of Garbage Lady’s friends are on the point of death. Too many Munchausens, not enough proxies.

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    • At the risk of sounding mean, can you imagine the fruitloops’ reaction if Sabine’s sentence is increased? 🤭

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    • This video still shows up with an Aussie ISP proxy.
      This is not before time but ‘ll reserve my judgement as talk is cheap.

      The Hampstead hoax pushers are basically urban terrorists as we have no idea where their lies will lead. People like Wanoa, Paterson and both Colin & Andy Devine constantly push for execution and lynchings and draw in new recruits like the silly Kaley.
      The New Zealand Mosque shooter was connected to British and Australian far-right movements via meetings and donations back and forth. Who knows where it can lead when an unhinged person may think they can solve problems by killing perceived enemies?.

      https://www.smh.com.au/national/after-23-years-a-day-of-reckoning-has-arrived-for-big-tech-20190729-p52bpe.html
      After 23 years, a day of reckoning has arrived for Big Tech.
      “British web expert Jamie Bartlett was a tech optimist. About a decade ago, that is. The fellow of London think tank Demos grew increasingly worried about what was happening under Google, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter and the rest.

      Finally he confessed to a mild panic about the industry and opened his most recent book with these words: “In the coming few years either tech will destroy democracy and the social order as we know it, or politics will stamp its authority over the digital world.”

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    • The moron still hasn’t grasped that Maloney got caught out on the alleged Brittan “tattoo”, which Andrew Ash originally claimed was a birthmark.

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  6. In Belinda’s email that Neelu shared, Belinda said: “..whether still inside or hopefully out as of next week out on license..”. That can’t happen, can it EC? Sabine can’t be let out on license without serving her sentence, can she?

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    • If I’ve understood correctly, she can’t be let out at all, as she’s not appealing the verdict, just the length of the sentence.

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    • Well, if her sentence were reduced to less than or equal to the time she has already served x 2, she would be released on licence. And if it were reduced to less than or equal to the time served, she would be released unconditionally.

      E.g. if she had served 12 months and the sentence was reduced to 24 months, she would be released on licence. If it was reduced to 12 months, she would be released unconditionally.

      If I were to take a punt, I wouldn’t be surprised at a reduction of a year or two. It was a long sentence and she’s 75. But the assessment of the judge, who was there, is taken very seriously by the CA. However it’s very risky guessing what the CA will do – so much of it depends on the submissions.

      I’m not surprised she isn’t appealing conviction, as the evidence was about as strong as it gets. She will probably have been advised not to for fear of a loss of time order which would increase her sentence by over 6 months. I wouldn’t expect a loss of time order in an appeal against sentence as it doesn’t look hopeless and I’m assuming the single judge gave leave.

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  7. Am I imagining this or is this one of the people actively preventing Edward Ellis from getting urgent medical treatment banging on about how urgently he needs medical treatment…? 🤦‍♂️

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    • The sad irony is that if Edward Ellis was to die due to not going to the hospital for help then Andy Devine will blame the hospital and medical profession. Even though Devine constantly tells folk how he doesn’t go to the hospital and neither should other people.

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    • I have already said this on Quatloos, but I seriously think nothing is going to happen with Neelu and others until EWE ends up dead because of the advice he gets from struck off pharmacists and others. If someone is suggesting conventional medicine like the dialysis he appears to need, then they will all fall out with each other again.

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  8. Just a hunch but I get the feeling this person hasn’t quite grasped how mental health assessments work 🙄

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    • “someone from the newspaper in New Zealand…”

      There are actually more than one newspaper in New Zealand. Hard to believe, I know.

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    • How on earth could she own the bullets that killed JFK.?. They would be under lock and key in the National Archives.
      As for owning the flames that struck the Pentagon..well they do call her a Dragon Lady.
      One wonders why Jackie would choose to shoot her husband in full view of the world. Did she carry a Derringer in her purse?

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  10. Doyenne of the early internet? So the claimed gross incompetence and lack of understanding of very basic things, which she attempted to build part of her defence on; that was something she cultivated in later life? Something which would render access to the internet irrelevant to her now? So, no hardship there then!

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    • Don’t know for sure in the UK, but NZ and Australia have had the ‘crime reporting number’ (and a lot of other ‘non police work’ like paperwork etc) hasn’t been done by ‘uniforms’ for years…
      Why tie up a police officer doing ‘non police work’ when they could (and should) be utilized actually doing- you know- police stuff…
      Police are expensive to train, and get paid more, so you don’t want them just ‘paperpushing’

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      • Threatens to have Brett Shields and other police officers hanged at 52:39 🙄

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      • Devine’s claiming that Tracey wasn’t given enough time to get to Wanoa’s hearing but at 9:25 the nurse clearly says that if Tracey can’t attend, she can contribute via speaker phone!

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  13. I assume commenters here saw that Valerie Sinason had a letter published in the Guardian in the wake of the Beech verdict? It is not the letter which bothers me but the fact that the Guardian published it, and the large number of signatories, presumably all mental health professionals of some sort or other.

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    • It’s rather difficult to understand; I suspect the author speaks English as a 2nd language.
      One of the things they appear to be saying is a particular sort of “no smoke without fire” i.e. Beech must have been abused in order to have the sort of personality who comes up with these sort of falsehoods. I think there may be a germ of truth in this. But I’m not sure where it gets us. Of the people whom he accused, the only one who wasn’t completely exonerated by the investigation of Northumbria Police and the CPS was his stepfather, and even some of that story was inherently unlikely. And even if he were, it’s limited mitigation: it’s not an inevitable consequence of being abused.
      But beyond that they still insist on there being a paedophile ring linked with No 10, despite the fact that there is no evidence of it at all, and despite the police investigating. Underneath it appears to be the discredited Elm Hall Guest House allegations and the conviction of Peter Righton, who was a child abuser connected with some educational institutions and charities, but hardly at the centre of power.

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      • “One of the things they appear to be saying is a particular sort of “no smoke without fire” i.e. Beech must have been abused in order to have the sort of personality who comes up with these sort of falsehoods.”

        It’s a fairly common defence of quackery and for scam artists & conspiratorial thinkers that tries to (incorrectly) throw the burden of proof away from the claimant, “…but why would they lie?” apparently having never met human beings before.

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  14. I don’t know what Neelu and her freaky mate Clarice are banging on about here, as her posts are still showing!

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      • Yeah, she’s often mentioned that. She is of Indian descent, so I’d be surprised if she were a fan.

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      • Paterson has senility and multiple head injuries as his excuse for losing all impulse control and revealing his underlying personality (which is to say the personality of a whiny under-spanked toddler, spewing out impotent threats every time he’s thwarted).

        What’s Matt Taylor’s excuse?

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    • 99% of Maori right’s groups and members don’t want anything to do with John Wanoa. Everything he claims is nicked from an extreme right wing “red-neck” Maori group called Pakeha who are loathed by Maori New Zealanders. They are the ones who claim the Easter Island statues move around at night.
      They make Tommy Robinson look like an old lefty and snowflake.
      Wanoa has claimed the Mosque murders were a “false flag” and his virulent Islamophobia is the opposite to basically the entire NZ community including the fairly powerful “bikie” gangs who came out in support of NZ Muslims.
      John Wanoa better get used to never being able to leave New Zealand again at his late age. He’ll be on immigration watch lists world-wide as a man who issue threats against all sorts of people. Even if he had some credible business venture, which he doesn’t, no businessman in their right mind would even think of doing business with him.
      The endless phone calls from his UK “partners” will just convince NZ police and doctors they are doing the right thing be sectioning him and probably for a considerable time.

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    • Matt Taylor is a moron.
      Maoris are Indigenous New Zealanders and citizens. There is no “sovereign Maori nation” as exampled by crackpot John Wanoa who has for years accepted every welfare benefit dished out by the New Zealand nation and most of the time, obeyed their laws.

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      • There is a tradition of “Sovereign Maori Nation” scammers who make a living selling Get-Out-of-Jail-Free cards to gullible numpties. They adopted the 1844 flag as one of their symbols. Wanoa was sniffing around their various grifts for a while, and stole a lot of their ideas… but when he didn’t get the recognition from them that he thinks he deserves, that was when he decided that he’s really of pure Moriori descent, and that “Maori” is a just a made-up word for a bunch of ragtaggle mixed-race trash brought in by the British as part of colonisation.

        This egregious con-man, Eru Manukau, is one of Wanoa’s inspirations.

        Click to access Aotearoa%20Bank%20letter.pdf

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  17. Andy has just said that King John has been released following the Court hearing in the hospital but under “unacceptable conditions ” whatever that means. ( Unacceptable to Andy obviously ) More to come.

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  19. Omg how can Belinda coach her into carrying on with her activity on line It’s a sure way to get sent back if released. Belinda is a manipulative cowardly person she wants other people to do her dirty work whilst she sits back and pretends she’s know part of it when things go pair shaped. I doubt very much she will be released probably time added on or time taken off given her age but definitely won’t be released.

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    • I think it pretty much boils down to whether the police and CPS have been keeping on top of the ongoing threats from her supporters. If they have I could see it being kept the same or increased as there is a clear nexus between her actions and their continuing behaviour. If they haven’t kept on the ball then it will be a poor little 75 year old in front of the appeal judges, hobbling in on crutches and making her puppy dog eyes about her “long” sentence.

      She’s served just over 18 months, if you include tagging and remand, it will need to be reduced to under approx 4 years for actual release.

      [Side note: Always found it odd that you get a lesser sentence for crimes as you get older. Not saying it’s not right, but hit 70 and you have by and large a free hit!]

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    • We’ve answered one vital question: “Who has the best God?” That of a embittered old Anglo-Irish woman or my Catholic one?*

      Well, it looks like I’ve won the Sabine Challenge Prayer Off as APD’s intercessions have been lost in the void. I was pretty confident as I won the challenge last January as well, but it’s never a good idea to get complacent.

      * I concede that other God/gods are available but, whoever they may be, we know they are better than hers.

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  21. I won’t link it (due to her naming a protected witness) but there’s a new video up from Angie. It never ceases to amaze me how much Devine, Neelu and Cat crap she presents as accepted fact!

    And there are quite vicious attacks on the Hampstead dad at 13:20, 27:12 and 43:28.

    Oh and at 20:01 she claims that Cip Clips has been “rattled and persecuted by Hoaxtead”. Sheer slander – have we ever even mentioned him, lol?

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