Why is Angela in a tizzy about Carl Beech’s sentence?

Carl Beech, the convicted paedophile “formerly known as Nick” whose malicious fictions grabbed headlines, instigated two failed police investigations, and ultimately destroyed the lives and reputations of many innocent people, was convicted on Monday on 12 counts of perverting the course of justice, and one count of fraud.

Yesterday, Beech was sentenced not only for those crimes, but for the possession and creation of indecent photographs—including Category A child sexual abuse images—and voyeurism offences of which he was convicted in Worcester earlier this year. His sentence, totalling 18 years, elicited the expected howls of rage from the usual quarters.

In his sentencing remarks following Beech’s trial, Mr Justice James Goss stated,

It was after the public revelations of the commission by Jimmy Savile of a number of sexual offences that you made your first complaint to the Metropolitan Police in late 2012. The initial investigation was entrusted to the Wiltshire Police. You told them that your stepfather, who had been a Major in the Army and you knew was dead, sexually abused you from the age of 8 and introduced you to a group of about 20 males, only naming one, Jimmy Savile, who systematically sexually abused and injured you and, on occasions, other boys. You could not name other abusers or victims apart from your friend, Aubrey, which was a lie. Due to the absence of support for your allegations and the inability to identify any living person responsible for any offence, in May 2013, the Metropolitan Police were informed that the investigation was closed as undetected.

We were wholly unsurprised to note that Angela Power-Disney had something to say about Beech’s sentence, as she’s no slouch in the malicious fiction department herself. In 2015, three years after Beech, she took her own set of allegations to the Wiltshire police, where Beech had made his first spurious complaints.

Angela’s version

In May 2015, Angela got all dolled up in her best polka-dot party dress for a series of interviews filmed by Miles Johnston for his “Bases Project”, in which she claimed to have been one of the survivors of a “child hunt”. She alleged that her father, a military man at the time, had offered her to a group of high-ranking officers on the base where he was stationed in Wiltshire. These officers, she claimed, had chased her naked through the woods at night and sexually abused her.

Shortly after the Johnston videos were filmed, Angela wrote to Charlotte Ward, then known as “Jacqui Farmer”, owner of the late unlamented Hampstead Research blog. She made some rather extraordinary allegations about her father, who even then was suffering from Alzheimers and unable to defend himself:

I reported being molested by my Father when coming out of anasthetic (sic) in hospital aged about 11. I reported this to (the) Psychiatric Consultant at Navan Hospital in front of my Father and Mother in 2003. I had gone to the Psych Unit my only admission in my life and she had wanted me to go home as she said I was neither suicidal nor psychotic, and recovery from child sexual abuse was not something the Psych Unit was equipped to deal with residentially.

I have earlier memories of my Father molesting both myself and (my sister) as well as regularly and severely beating (my two sisters) and myself and we all have severe memory gaps. Mum knows she had extended military or psychiatric inpatient treatments of electro-convulsive treatment to ‘erase trauma memories’ as she was told. I have scars indicating having suffered same and believe we were all drugged on multiple occasions along the lines of rohypnol the date rape drug only much stronger and decades earlier. I believe Dad was not only sexually assaulting and molesting his children but allowing others to also. I believe he used dogs as well in our torture abuse and humiliation.

(In a 5-hour interview with Miles Johnston) I included testimony though not detailed about my Father abusing his children and allowing us to be in Mengele type ’psychological research’ trials called TRAUMA BASED MIND CONTROL whilst Dad was in the British Air Force for 25 years.

(My two sisters and I) were privately educated in many fee-paying convents during Dad’s military service, despite him being only a non-commissioned officer on a modest salary. He mixed with very senior military people often on secret secondments I suspect were connected with the financed and authorised psychological ‘research’ projects, competing with Russia to develop mind controlled intelligence officers and honey traps as well as informants and assassins etc. Back then causing mind fracture was done by physical and sexual trauma ideally in the first 6 to 12 years of life for maximum success in causing dissociation.

Angela would continue to embroider this narrative, and indeed would follow in Beech’s footsteps, though her attempts to insert herself into lurid stories of violent child sexual abuse were less enterprising and imaginative than his. In 2015 she reported her allegations about her elderly, incapacitated father, including claims that he had had a hand in her sister Fiona’s alcohol-related death to the Wiltshire and Somerset and Avon police.

She pursued her police complaints for more than a year, and would eventually make an unintentionally hilarious video detailing the collapse of the case against her father.

Reading the emails between Angela and the police officers involved, one can see that efforts were made to investigate her claims, but absolutely no evidence was found to support anything she’d said, and in the end the police decided not to take further action as Angela’s father’s dementia had progressed to the point where he was unable to understand a police caution and could therefore not be interviewed under caution.

To our best knowledge, Angela did not receive monetary compensation for her alleged sexual abuse, though it is unknown whether she applied for it. Following the collapse of her police complaint, though, her claims grew more and more lurid, and they have tended to shift with the wind—if a new and exciting form of child abuse pops up on the internet, you can be certain that within a few days or weeks, Angela will present herself as its poster child.

Angela must be aware on some level that the Hampstead SRA hoax, which she has eagerly and relentlessly promoted for the past five years, represents a vigorous and ongoing attempt on the part of Abraham Christie and Ella Draper to pervert the course of justice, and that she and others who’ve continued to harass and falsely accuse the families of Hampstead are likely to suffer a similar fate to Beech’s.

It’s hardly surprising, then, that Angela objected—loudly and with her usual casual disregard for the truth—to Beech’s verdict, and even more loudly to his sentence. In Beech she no doubt senses a fellow traveller, though as mentioned, her efforts really pale next to his. Still, it seems that the days of allowing serial fantasists to run rough-shod over the justice system are coming to an end, and not before time.

146 thoughts on “Why is Angela in a tizzy about Carl Beech’s sentence?

  1. I can answer your question. A story about some weirdo paedophile downloading child porn is much less exciting than an elite child sex/murder ring. Just as some stupid cow and her psycho BF making some kids lie about their father is much less exciting than an elite child sex/murder cult. This nasty woman will choose the more exciting option every time because she 1, is a religious fanatic, 2, can get attention 3, can scam idiots for donations 4, is a nasty gossiping bitch. This woman is the very definition of vile and deserves to be prosecuted for the evil she spreads.

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  2. Because she is likely to see a future sentence of her own in the immediate future????
    And (finally) the judicial system seems to be taking these clowns seriously- 9 years for Sabine, now 18 for ‘Nick’, and her own output, while not only being as prolific or well known as Nicks, was equally as nasty and accusing people falsely…

    She’s probably (quite understandably) worried that she too will get a decade long sentence or more for her efforts- she could possibly end up behind bars until well after I have retired and am getting a pension…
    Even if she only gets a similar sentence to Sabine, by the time she gets out, my car would become an official vintage car….

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    • I think Beech’s verdicts and sentence have marked a turning point in public tolerance for false allegations of child sexual abuse. As we have said from the beginning, these false narratives undermine the ability of real survivors to have their voices heard, and create an automatic suspicion that they could be lying. I’ll be very interested to see how it affects other legal jurisdictions.

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  3. Great post, EC 👍

    And you’re right about Angie inventing new outlooks and narratives to adapt to whatever’s “in”. You’ll recall she’s also been known to do so as a strategy for sucking up to whichever fruitloop she’s trying to groom at any given time. Attacking Catholics helped to get her in with Christine Sands (who to this day still thinks that Christ Church is Catholic); the abortion thing was just the ticket for sucking up to Thomas Dunce; and her suddenly “remembering” that she’d been a victim of satanic ritual abuse as a child was perfect for grooming Daniel Lee. Thing is, she makes it so obvious that she just ends up embarrassing herself.

    (It’s 7:12, Malcolm.)

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      • Worry ye not, Madam. I’ve submitted a recommendation to the powers that be (chez Lizard HQ) to have Ms. Daisy-Power extradited to England to serve her time in a strictly no-smoking prison. Just to, as you cheeky young whippersnappers would put it, “piss her off”.

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  4. Desperate Devine’s on live again. “Blah blah Brett Shields blah blah vile critters, blah blah Hampstead children case blah blah Hoaxtead Satanists blah blah Karen Irving blah blah let John out NOW…”

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    • 51:20 – “Every single one of them bastards need hanging. They need hanging, mate. They need setting an example. Not that I want anyone killed.”

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      • Actually praterson, we actually have quite a high rate of gun ownership her in Australia, however there are quite strict laws (and thankfully so) that in the main, keeps them out of nutcases like you…
        Even the NZ mosque shooter ( an Australian) wasn’t able to get the guns in Australia and had to go to NZ to get them, since then NZ has actually introduced pretty much the same laws as Australia currently has (they were more in line with Australian laws pre Port Arthur)- seems that it pretty much takes something like that before the politicians act

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        • Yes give him his due as he turns 80, it was about the only significant and lasting policy of then PM John Howard and he was pretty brave to be so insistent. But it was just after the terrible Port Arthur Tasmania massacre in which 35 people died.
          I was once contemplating visiting Port Arthur and a pal talked me out of it as he reckons the place is haunted by dozens of ghosts of convicts who went stark raving mad there because the jailers engaged in a weird sensory deprivation form of torture where prisoners were denied any association with other prisoners.
          Even visiting the Church on Sundays each convict was encased in a sort of cubicle so he couldn’t react with others and at all times they had to wear slipper type shoes that made no sound.
          Many went barking mad. Might pass that info on to Paterson & Wanoa as a new way of dealing with their enemies.

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          • Same thing in England. But it wasn’t a form of torture, it was an attempt at rehabilitation and the motivation wasn’t cruelty. Indeed it had some surprising benefits – each prisoner had their own cell (no sharing) and each cell had a flushing water-closet because communal toilets enabled association. The idea was that prisoners associating made prisons into a university of crime – it was better if prisoners were left to their own thoughts to work out what had got them into prison and come up with better solutions on release. They could only talk to staff, chaplains, their family on visiting days, prison visitors etc.

            There are obviously several germs of an enlightened penal policy in all that, however the psychological underpinnings were completely false. Humans are a social species and can’t function well without others, and without assistance of some sort, people won’t come up with solutions by themselves. The result was that some prisoners went mad But others (introverts especially) no doubt found it a more attractive option than being locked in with some else (who might be a psychopath, a sex offender, and by definition was a criminal), and the communal use of a chamber pot. It must also have hindered the sort of bullying hierarchy that association allows today.

            The problem is that no-one has really cracked what works to rehabilitate, and as someone said “if your aim is rehabilitation when you don’t know what rehabilitates, you can justify any damn thing you do”.

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          • That’s fascinating about the penal system. I suppose that in the context of the times it made sense, but as you say Naqsej, we still don’t really have a grasp on how to rehabilitate lawbreakers, so everything is really just a shot in the dark.

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          • “we still don’t really have a grasp on how to rehabilitate lawbreakers, so everything is really just a shot in the dark.”
            Norway seem to have a pretty good handle on it https://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T although I imagine there’s cultural issues that lead up to people committing\not committing crimes in the first place.
            I don’t think it helps that society whips up feelings to such an extent, bordering on revenge porn…


    • 31:17 – Not sure what’s most grating here – Devine’s attempt at “an Australian accent” or the fact that he apparently thinks New Zealand and Australia are the same country 😖

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  5. (My two sisters and I) were privately educated in many fee-paying convents during Dad’s military service, despite him being only a non-commissioned officer on a modest salary.

    Well let me answer that for you. The armed services had a scheme where members with children who were likely to be moved around or posted overseas could have them take up boarding school places paid for by the relevant service. I suspect it no longer operates as a cost saving, but it was certainly operational during the sixties, seventies and into the eighties. My best friend was a boarder at my Catholic school despite his parents living only a mile from it, whilst I had a 10 mile/hour and a half each way journey to school every day!

    And yet again we see another easily disproved assertion bite the dust.

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  6. I wrote to Judiciary.gov.uk yesterday, hoping to get sight of the sentencing remarks for Jemma Beale, who got only 10 years for similar-but-worse crimes, compared with the 18 years that Beech got. I’d have expected Beech to get no more than 6 or 7 years for his crimes, if the sentence of 10 years for Beale was just for her similar-but-worse crimes, which caused one innocent accused to spend 7 years in prison for a rape that never happened, whilst Beale was claiming money from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board for rapes galore that never happened. What do you think?

    Quite honestly, the police strike me as the villains we ought to be worried about in the Beech case. In contrast, in the Hampstead witch hunt case, the police did a really good job, as evidenced by the facts found by Pauffley J in Re P & Q, and the ABE videos (for those who were given access to them, lawfully or otherwise). But, if the pair who tortured the children hadn’t strained credulity with the far-fetched claims, and the children’ story had been of abuse that was at least *possible*, the outcome might have been different even in that case.

    The largely feminist doctrine that police should automatically believe all complainants of sex crimes is an evil that lies behind all these cases. The low ratio of rape complaints to convictions is assumed to be evidence of one cause (ineffective courts) rather than another (a multitude of false complaints).

    In the Beech case, the police were seduced by that doctrine as badly as Angela remains seduced. In the case of Sabine, she was seduced by that doctrine so badly that she could not (and perhaps still cannot) bring herself to believe that the police were right to deviate from that doctrine in the case of P & Q, rather than complicit in a cover-up.

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    • You do know that in addition to being found guilty of the charges at Newcastle Crown Court and of skipping bail he PLED GUILTY TO POSSESSING INDECENT IMAGES IN CATEGORY A AND FILMING UNDERAGE CHILDREN IN TOILETS? The first of which carries a sentence of up to 9 years and the second carries a sentence up to 9 years (and which he left his guilty plea to the last minute so he gets absolutely no tariff reduction) without even taking any sentence in the court case.

      I’m rather surprised you would try the conspiracy route to justify your position and make excuses for him but 18 years sounds about right if you add up all he pled guilty to or was found guilty off.

      And you are entitled to your opinion but I find your “largely feminist doctrine” remark quite disgusting.

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      • I have read the Beech sentencing remarks yesterday. I will study them when I can do so side by side with those for Beale, which I’m trying to get hold of.

        I think Beech’s sentences for possession of indecent images ran concurrently with longer sentences than that for the false accusations, which are directly comparable to the crimes of Beale. The discrepancy I commented on was between 10 years for Beale for false accusations that put an innocent man in jail for 7 years for a non-existent rape, and 15 years for Beech’s false accusations that wasted a lot of police time but at least didn’t cause anybody to be wrongly convicted of rape.

        I don’t know what “position” of mine you think I tried to justify using a “conspiracy route”. I have no idea what you mean by this.

        I did not intend to disgust anybody, by mentioning what I thought would be uncontroversial, that the doctrine always to believe sex crime complainants was mainly feminist. In my experience, the exhortations always to believe sex crime complainants frequently does come from feminist sources. Are you disgusted with me because you hadn’t noticed that yourself?

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          • Beech got 15 years for attempting to pervert the course of justice, plus 18 months for fraud and 18 months for indecent images, to run concurrently, adding up to a total of 18 years. However, the appropriate comparison is between his 15 years and the 10 years Beale got, for essentially the same offence.

            I feel sorry for Harvey Proctor, Beech’s victim. I feel a lot more sorry for Mahad Cassim, who spent time in prison wrongly convicted of rape. I may have got the period of time he served wrong earlier. It might have been only 2 years 9 months, rather than 7 years. See if you can work it out from the Sun story here, if you like:

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          • I spent far too much time last night writing a properly researched reply to such unfounded misogyny (I’ve kept it for later use so not time wasted), but realised before sending it as a response to his post that I’d be playing chess with a pigeon. 😉

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          • What “misogyny’? My intention to research the reason for the discrepancy between the sentences for Beech and Beale?

            Did your own “proper researches” include accessing the Beale sentencing remarks that I haven’t seen yet? If so, please could you provide a link?

            Why do you think Beech and Beale were able to cause such havoc, if it wasn’t because of the gullibility of the police, unduly influenced by the “believe the victim” doctrine I mentioned? Can’t you see that that doctrine is what’s behind the success of the Hampstead Hoax, Sabine’s crimes and all?
            From: HOAXTEAD RESEARCH
            Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:26:20 +0000
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            Subject: [New comment] Why is Angela in a tizzy about Carl Beech’s sentence?

            anowlcalledsage commented: “I spent far too much time last night writing a properly researched reply to such unfounded misogyny (I’ve kept it for later use so not time wasted), but realised before sending it as a response to his post that I’d be playing chess with a pigeon. [😉] “


          • Wriggle all you want but “The largely feminist doctrine” is absolute bullshit. If you don’t like women please keep it to yourself.

            Crisp P: I didn’t want my bishop to take a bashing so I’m playing my porn, er I mean pawn. 😁

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          • 1. “Sentence was too long”. Sentencing is based on culpability and harm and the harm includes the intended harm – which in Beech’s case was to get his victims tried and convicted. In Proctor’s case, he accused him of several sexually motivated murders of children – had he been convicted the sentence would have been life. In relation to the other living victims (including Britten), a conviction for rape and sexually motivated wounding would inevitably have resulted in a long sentence which, given their age, would have meant they died in prison. Too short for condeming half a dozen people to a living death?
            2. “The police are the villains because they investigated the complaint” I think this is totally misconceived. When the police receive allegations of serious crimes, they should investigate them – that’s what they’re for. There was a time when the police tried to bludgeon complainants of sexual offences into retracting – there was a shocking fly on the wall documentary about it in the 80s – but that time has passed, and so it should. One can criticise the police for the time it took to realise the allegations were false, but not for investigating. The problem with the police I think is not what they did (investigate serious allegations) but how they did it, and particularly the media handling. But if Beech’s legacy is that the police go back to disbelieving victims and putting pressure on them to retract, his sentence will certainly be too short, and the number of victims incalculable.
            3. Naqsej’s hierarchy of blame:
            a) Beech. No-one made him do this, he was helped to do it better, but without Beech, none of this would have happened.
            b) Exaro News. Provided him with names to accuse and helped him improve his story. I think Marc Watts at least comes close to perverting the course of justice. And if Beech’s allegations had been true, he would have contaminated the evidence so much that the guilty parties would probalby have escaped conviction. What he did was wrong either way and he should have known it, but he clearly (judging from his Twittering) hasn’t learned. A BBC journalist also helped with providing the location of Dolphin Place, but the BBC knew enough to have nothing to do with it.
            c) Tom Watson. Like the police, Watson can’t be blamed for taking the complaint seriously and and referring Beech to the police. But he did more than that: before Leon Britten was cold in his grave he was accusing him of being a rapist.
            d) Very much bringing up the rear the police. They should have investigated but they could probably (but it’s easy to be an armchair investigator) have got to the realisation that Beech’s story didn’t hold up much quicker. They should have gritted their teeth and been much cagier with the press, however much the press would have hated them. But with the police it’s easy for commentators to be binary, either “the police drop cases too readily” or “the police bring cases too readily”, in real life it’s much more difficult, and the public mood affects it.

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          • Thanks for the serious response.

            Comparing the crimes of Beech and Beale, why did Beech get 15 years (plus 3 consecutively that aren’t relevant), when Beale only got 10. I’d have said her crimes were a lot like Beech’s, only much, much worse in terms of the harm caused to her victims.

            You have made one of my main points for me, when you concede that the police “could probably … have got to the realisation that Beech’s story didn’t hold up much quicker”. That really was all I was trying to say about that.

            I agree with your “non-binary” point. I never intended to create a false dichotomy between spending millions and jailing the innocent (in Beale, but not in Beech), and ignoring complaints the police didn’t want to cherry-pick. I have replied to somebody else who quoted your expression of the false dichotomy at length, before realising that he or she was quoting you. Q.V. (pretty please).

            The mantra always to “believe victims” is something I still see as the root cause of a whole host of these problems, whether it is private citizens (e.g. Sabine) who are making life a misery for the innocent or the state (e.g. the police, CPS etc).


          • I agree with all you’ve said, Naqsej.

            I would add that the crime of “perverting the course of justice” is a very serious one, which is why it carries a (theoretical at least) maximum penalty of life imprisonment. I know that in reality, sentences are generally much shorter, but I think the hypothetical maximum tells us exactly how serious this crime can be, as it undermines the rule of law which forms the underpinnings of our democratic institutions. It would be up to the judge to determine the degree to which this was the case in the Beech trial, and I have no argument with the decision he reached.

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          • I have no argument with the sentence the judge handed down in Beech either – yet. But I could not help noticing the strong parallels between Beech’s perversion of justice and Beale’s, although Beale’s was a lot worse. I thought it would be interesting to compare the sentences of Beech and Beale and the sentencing remarks for both. I haven’t yet been able to do that.

            I am disappointed that you have not commented on my observation of (what I see as) a common factor in the three cases Beech, Beale and Sabine McNeill, which is the credulity given to complainants on the basis of a shared “always believe the victim who alleges sex crime against her/him” culture.

            Draper, Beale and Beech were all enabled by the over-credulous. Serious attempts were made to keep Kavanagh off the SCOTUS, by exploiting the “mud sticks” factor that goes with that culture of over-credulity.


          • Either “the police drop cases too readily” or “the police bring cases too readily”, in real life it’s much more difficult, and the public mood affects it.

            Agree with you here, but it is still the CPS who drop cases or decide to proceed.


          • You’ve got the point. Exactly. And yes, of course, in real life it’s likely to be a mixture of both, i.e. a combination of type A and type B errors. My point was that there is a polarisation of narratives.

            Social workers have a saying, “We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t”. That is to say, social workers are criticised for mistakes of unnecessary, overbearing safeguarding intervention and catastrophic failure to intervene. They want the public to make up their minds which sort of error it is fair to criticise social workers for and to lay off the other type of criticism. That is not a reasonable expectation. Social workers shouldn’t make either type of error.

            Politicians say, tongue-in-cheek, “We are getting criticised equally from different directions for taxing and spending too much and too little, so we must be getting it about right.” Same excuse as social workers.

            But the public is entitled to complain about *both* types of error, e.g. slapdash police work, and over-cautious police work.

            The mantra always to believe victims (meaning complainants, or alleged victims) is the mantra of many feminist groups when it comes to sex crime allegations. Have we forgotten Kavanagh? And the official rap over the knuckles that Woman’s Hour got over its biased coverage of that affair? It was the same mantra, always believe victims, that caused the police to waste millions on the fantasies of Beech. The same mantra led to the dreadful problems experienced by the 15 men all falsely accused of raping the same fantasist, Beale.

            Sabine McNeill’s mantra was also to believe victims, whom she called “whistleblower kids”.

            A little bit of common sense is needed. We all seem to agree Sabine McNeill lacked common sense. But the authorities caused problems to the innocent victims of the false accusations made by Beech and Beale that were comparable to or worse than the problems that Sabine caused to her victims.


      • Sonia Poulton has jumped on the band Wagon and said Carl Beech was set up by the establishment, because of a paedophile ring in the big house, she would so love it to be true wouldn`t she


      • Neelu is as free with the word “assassination” as she is “treason”. “Treason” appears to mean, “anything I think is nasty” and “assassination” means “any official process against someone I support”. Combined with Edward William Ellis’s penchant for “fraud” meaning “word to put at the end of anything I don’t like” it leads to some very dense prose. So, a parking ticket would be a “Parking Assassination Treason Fraud” and an accident with the toaster, “Assassination Toast Treason Fraud”.

        And in what plane of the multiverse do governors release prisoners in response to some random person runing up and demanding it?

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    • Not for the first time lately he has Cat Scot’s “[Hampstead dad] publicly admits he co-runs Hoaxtead Research” blog post open in his tabs. I wonder how many times he needs to read it before he convinces himself it’s true 😂

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    • Was it Ghost of Sam who said people Devine calls might think his name’s Colin due to misunderstanding the ‘Colon’ thing? Lo, it comes to pass at 25:47 and 27:09 in this one 😂

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    • “I’m just a man the same as you are a woman. I’ve understood the system, I’m not a legal fiction, I’m not a person, neither is Lynne Thyler, she has a common law birth certificate, she vacated the system, she has a (life boat?) she can prove that she’s alive..that’s a woman you’ve got in there under the pretext of a legal fiction” etc etc blah blah blah.
      WTF is he talking about?. The man is a full on loon!.

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      • Full on sovcit/ FOTL garbage…
        (and no you aren’t going crazy, it really is that convoluted and insane)
        He’s dived headfirst into the full on batshit crazy world that is the sovereign citizen/freeman on the land

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          • As you said Steved the FMOTL & Sovereign citizen way of doing things never ends well. People end up in debt, losing their homes and either in prison or a mental hospital. Yet there are always new people coming along and trying it out and having to learn the hard way that it is all bollocks.

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      • The lifeboat may, just may, be due to the popular FoTLer belief that courts are admiralty courts. It’s not clear why that would matter in any event, but this isn’t the place for logic. The origin is the custom of US courts commonly having a flag in – the US navy has a flag, therefore US courts are admiralty courts [I know, keep up], therefore all courts even those without flags are admiralty courts, therefore I am immune from court action. As the origin has faded in the mists of time, we get other reasons for courts being admiralty courts, e.g. courts have docks and so do ships. And best of all – and I’m not making this up – because we all have berth certificates.

        Sometimes when it’s all going wrong for FoTLers in court (which it usually does) they shout “man overboard” and leave, believing that the proceedings must cease.

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  7. I don’t know if AD’s followers are as mistaken as he is or if some of them are egging him on for sport (which is a bit unkind if true even if he does say loony things). Anyway, somebody with the a name written in the weird quantum manner was saying things should be made ready for Kingy to go to Kentucky shortly (in the comments section of one of AD’s clips – I don’t always listen to him but I look at the comments and some of them are – unusual.. From what I can make out it’s harder to gain admission to the USA than it is to the UK, unless Kingy has managed to obtain a visa from his hospital bed. Well it’s all very strange.

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    • That’s :Clive-Albert and he’s 100% genuine, I’m afraid (and an uncanny Hugh Laurie lookalike if his avatar’s anything to go by).

      One funny thing about the Kentucky thing was Devine and Wanoa saying they’d been in touch with – and gained the support of – the Mayor of Kentucky. They’re apparently blissfully unaware that Kentucky is in fact a state, not a city, so doesn’t have a mayor 🤦‍♂️

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      • Maybe they mean the governor? If it’s Matt Bevin, a recent poll placed him as the least popular governor in the USA. But I’d rather think they were in contact with the Mayor of Kentucky, which would mean that the state had not only seceded, but downgraded itself to a municipality. Not that I have anything against Kentucky, you understand, but it would make a great story.

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        • Yes, I think they do mean the governor and I mentioned it here:


          My point, though, is that you’d expect a king and his chief advisor to know the difference. It’s clumsy little faux pas like this that lead to diplomatic rows 😆

          That said, there is another possibility of course – that Wanoa and Devine are talking bollocks and haven’t actually gained the support of any US-based dignitaries whatsoever. Oh hush my skeptical yapper!

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          • If you think Angela is crazy then check out this moron.
            KATY GROVES….really amazing women.She surivived satanic ritual abuse,trafficing,MK ULTRA,the CIA and also survived being murdered in a snuff movie!….amazing!
            And after all that…here she is openly SUPPORTING the insane VIRPED MOVEMENT….Virtuous Pedophiles (Non offending child molesters).


    • I think the Kentucky business is an American woman pal of The Mob who E.Ellis has advised to go and see the Provost Marshalls at the US Embassy who will “send her and her children back to Kentucky”. She’s entitled to go to the Embassy and ask anything she wants of a Consul but the Marshals are basically in charge of guarding the Embassy and have no power outside the Embassy for obvious reasons.
      And they wonder why he lost his right to practice as a solicitor.

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    • There was a case in Ireland where a women was awarded damages after the Garda crashed through her door looking for her criminal boyfriend.
      Clearly APD thinks a polite knock on the door from likewise investigating allegations of her harassing innocent UK victims means she will be able to fund Spanish holidays for years to come.
      So yes, I think it’s appropriate to say : “Dream on Angie”

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  8. I don’t have Twitter myself but looked on the Twitter link by EC to Barrister Blogger and while it wasn’t to do with Hoaxtead Jacob Rees-Mogg’s style guide did remind me of the quantum baloney.

    Re: Umbrella Grape Delusions, if she is unwell I don’t want to post anything to “trigger” her under her video. I did (though not as CAW) at one stage try to say a couple of times in the comments of earlier clips that I suspected the tidal energy scheme was bogus but I’m not bothering anymore. You can try and warn people but some just have to learn the hard way.

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    • Thing is she’s making allegations about us being child-raping baby-killing cannibals and I’m finding it impossible not to put her right.

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    • I was rather fascinated by Jacob Rees-Mogg’s new style guide as the last time I had a letter addressed to ‘Ghost Of Sam Esq’ it was a summons for going through a red light.


  9. Mandy’s posed an interesting question with these comments that she’s posted under Devine’s video. And the question is: should media moguls be able to spell? 🙄

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  10. Reading through the above and the assertion that companies have to have shareholders – Kaley’s not heard of companies limited by guarantee then (though they admittedly tend to be not-for-profit ventures). And of course there are sole traders. Maybe one of the legal eagles who visit here periodically will turn up and give a fuller explanation of setting up a company.

    I’ve had random people phone (and email) about various “investment” schemes. I usually pretend I can’t hear (if it’s on the phone and indeed if it’s not a recording, which such calls often are) and discontinue the phone call. I wonder how King Crusty originally made contact with Mr Devine. Did he send out random emails?

    EP, if someone has accused you of vile things falsely I can understand you feeling more than a bit “miffed” and wanting to comment.


  11. Praterson’s latest round of death threats – approved, liked and loved up by Andy “I don’t do death threats” Devine, naturally:

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    • I must admit I’m liking this guy’s style… 😆




  12. Kaley’s ignorance appears to know no bounds:

    By the way, kudos to John Green, T. Niedermeier and Andy Best for ripping these ‘arguments’ to shreds on the thread in question.

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    • Are we sure that John’s referral to a NZ mental health unit hasn’t been sponsored by Spark NZ and BT? Those international calls must be racking up the cash!

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    • She has helpfully pointed out that if the police have any outstanding warrants or metal health detention notices that hanging around the RCJ on Tuesday will probably result in a bumper crop!

      Thank you Neelu, our top GCHQ snitch, er, employee of the month for July.

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  13. Devine again. This one’s a (very unclear and extremely long) recording of Wanoa’s daughter getting kicked out of his hospital:

    The (relatively) interesting bits are at 3:46, 26:35, 36:36, 48:39, 1:15:28, 1:25:05, 1:35:42, 1:38:07, 1:40:09, 1:46:54, 1:53:14, 2:02:28, 2:05:15 and 2:06:12

    And Devine interviews her at 2:07:30.

    Oh and if you fancy a drinking game, it’s two sups every time Tracey mentions fish ‘n’ chips to the hospital staff 🍺🍷🥂


    • Oops! Daz-Cam forgot to post his proof to support this allegation (or as his guru Devine would put it, “his facts”):


    • According to Devine, this recording is from “8 or 9 days ago” and Tracey hasn’t been allowed back into the hospital since.


    • This twat needs to work on his repertoire. He posts pretty much the same tosh on every Devine vid 💤


    • Praterson starts with the customary death threats quite early in this one, at 2:55 – “These people need to know that there’s some other assassins, ok, and they work now for the good side.”

      And naturally, he gets a nod of approval and a “Well, exactly” from Andy “I don’t do death threats” Devine 🙄

      Liked by 1 person

    • Rants about Steve Martin, Jake’s court case, Hoaxtead, Charlotte Wright, Kelly Curtis and Sabine’s sentence at 4:35. And he’s not happy! 😆

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    • More death threats and the now traditional double murder confession at 8:46, much to the delight of Andy – “Now, do you think you little bunch of fucking Hoaxtead trolls are gonna fucking stop us? bring it on! Because you’re gonna be the first ones to be fucking taken out. In fact, two of you still haven’t turned up for work. Where are they? Chip chop! Cheers”

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    • 10:41 – “I’m telling you, Andy – these fucking bastards are gonna be hanging from trees.”

      And still no sign of disapproval from Devine.

      I’ve reported all three of these death threats, btw.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Full-on Hoaxtead & Karen Irving rant at 51:14. Reported for sizeist, sexist homophobic hate speech – “Karen Irving, fat slag dyke” and “Karen Irving, the Satanic Canadian purple-haired dyke” (comments which naturally amuse Andy). I’ve had more luck with reporting homophobia than death threats, so fingers crossed.

      He also refers to the Hampstead dad as a paedophile.

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    • Rings up the prison and tells them that Westminster Mags have dropped the case. It’s a rather weak attempt at assisting the escape of a prisoner. This is a receptionist who is completely unfazed.
      Neelu: “You need to check your paperwork and release her.”
      Receptionist: “I – don’t – think – so.”
      The receptionist also refuses to give her name and while Neelu usually goes into complete rant mode (especially as she has been prevailed upon to give her name) at such a point, this time she tamely accepts it. All in all she is surprisingly subdued.


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