Sabine McNeill on trial: Day 13

Following up on yesterday’s court proceedings, Miranda Moore QC continued with her cross-examination of Sabine McNeill. 

She turned to Sabine’s police interview on 11 January 2016, following her arrest for allegedly conspiring with Neelu Berry to commit witness intimidation. 

The interview was conducted by PC Betsy Davey, who informed Sabine that she had been arrested for posting witness statements relating to Neelu’s charges for having caused a disturbance at Christ Church Hampstead, in March/April 2015. 

One of the people whose witness statement Sabine had posted was a parent at Christ Church Primary School, Moore pointed out; the parent’s name, and the name of their child, had appeared on the 11-page “class list document” which Sabine had published on her Whistleblower Kids blog.

That parent gave evidence at the July 2016 witness intimidation trial, describing how their life had been affected by the posting of their and their child’s personal information online. 

Sabine said, “They gave their evidence behind a curtain”, adding that this way of giving evidence was “entirely new to me”. 

Moore pointed out that this method of giving evidence is in fact entirely normal, which the judge in the trial had explained to Sabine at the time; it did not invalidate the witness’s testimony in any way. 

Moore said that during Sabine’s police interview in January 2016, she had read from a written statement:

“I, Sabine McNeill, make this statement. While I believe I published the article in question I do not remember any details at all. I am surprised that it took the witnesses 10 months to let me know of the intimidation I caused. I am very sorry and apologise. I am also surprised that the reason for arresting me requires a surprise visit at night, even though I had informed my solicitor of the two phone calls from PC Davey. My solicitor assured me that he would arrange for the interview. I am now carrying it out without him. p.s. I closed the blog Whistleblower Kids a few days ago”.

“But you didn’t close it, did you?” Moore asked. She showed the court screenshots of the blog, demonstrating that it had been online from 2015 until it was closed for non-payment of fees in 2018.

“I beg your pardon!” said Sabine. She said she had closed the blog, but had re-opened it later. 

“You re-opened it”, repeated Moore. 

“I’m terribly sorry, but I am extremely confused”, Sabine said. “I swore by the Bible here, but you are confusing me. I suppose I must have reopened it, but I don’t remember when or where”. 

Moore said that Sabine had closed the blog down, but had then put it back up.

“Why would you put up the Whistleblower Kids blog, when you had just apologised for intimidation and harassment?” Moore asked. “You say you took it down, but you were told by the officer about the harm you had caused, and you purported to apologise. Explain this, please”. 

Sabine said that she had been in “extreme shock” following her night-time arrest. Following her arrest for harassment in August 2015, she had been told that the case was “NFA” (no further action” by police).

“And now I had these new allegations!” she said. “I run too many blogs; I could not keep track of them all”.

Moore said that she had not asked Sabine when she had re-opened the blog; she had asked why

“There was no change in my position”, Sabine said. “I was giving a voice to the children”. 

“Let’s look at the interview, since you say you can’t remember”, Moore said. She noted that PC Davey had asked Sabine whether she realised that posting the witness statements on her blog would intimidate the witnesses. Sabine had answered, “No comment”. 

Davey told Sabine that those whose children’s names and addresses had been shared now felt threatened when they were out in public, and experienced this as a direct attempt to intimidate them. Sabine had answered, “No comment”. 

Davey told Sabine that a witness had mentioned that their child was coming to the age where they were wanting to use the internet on their own, and that they believed it would be harmful for their child to see that their family was the subject of claims that they belonged to an abuse cult. Sabine had answered, “No comment”. 

“Your website was causing people to be upset, and causing them to be subject to abuse online”, Moore said. “Are you saying you didn’t know?”

“I don’t accept what PC Davey said”, Sabine said. 

Turning to the actual trial for witness intimidation, which took place in July 2016, Moore said that Judge Worsley had explained to the jury why he had stopped the case. He had explained that at the end of the prosecution’s case, it had become apparent that there was not sufficient evidence to convict the defendants on charges of conspiring to commit witness intimidation. 

However, Judge Worsley had said that he would put in place a “firm restraining order against each defendant to stop such appalling harassment as I am sure they have caused”. 

He said that while insufficient evidence existed to show a positive intent to intimidate witnesses, “one thing we know is that this is not a normal situation”. He said the matter involves “a degree of irrationality of those who are obsessed” despite the High Court judgment which forms the background to the case. 

“This is just another part of the campaign”, Judge Worsley said, noting that people’s personal information had been put repeatedly in the public domain, in a campaign run for months”. He agreed with Mrs Justice Pauffley’s assessment that this was “terrible and appalling”. 

Judge Worsley also said there was no doubt that those whose information had been put on the Whistleblower Kids blog had experienced intimidation, fright, and terror, dating to the point when their information had been put on the blog. Given this, he expressed his intention to create a “strong, determined restraining order”, punishable by up to five years in prison, to put an end to the campaign. 

Moore said Sabine had not accepted that the witnesses in that case had been harassed. However, she asked, did she accept the testimony from the witnesses in the witness box? Had they cried?

“I don’t remember”, said Sabine. 

“What did you hear from those witnesses?” Moore asked. 

“They were behind a curtain”, Sabine said. “They were not very audible”. She added that she had been publishing the case in the interest of public opinion and public interest. “I did not consider a small group of parents. I did not intend to intimidate anyone”. 

Moore pointed out that PC Davey, Judge Worsley, and the witnesses in that case had all told Sabine about the effects of her actions. “And yet you ignored them”, she said. 

Sabine said, “There was a state of mind. My first arrest was NFA, and the second was appended to that”. She said it had been stupid to publish Neelu’s witness statements, but that Neelu had been traumatised by the loss of her niece.

“At what point did you realise the effects of your actions?” Moore asked.

“At this trial”, said Sabine. 

“Even when you were told by the judge?”

“Well excuse me”, Sabine said. “I am differently impacted by interactions which are face-to-face, and interactions which are online”. 

“I would suggest that from the safety of Germany, you targeted the children on this list”, Moore said. “That’s what you did, isn’t it?”

“No”, said Sabine. 

Moore said that the “To Do List” on the Whistleblower Kids blog included amongst its “actions” lobbying for the prosecution of parents named in the 11-page document based on the class list. 

“Well, plus 20 police officers”, Sabine said. 

“At the time, you were asking for the prosecution of 20 parents”, said Moore. 

“It reads like that, yeah”. 

Moore said that as part of the online actions suggested on that list, Sabine had included “redirecting people to your site, where the details were available”. 

“Not just mine”, said Sabine. 

Four million people saw the videos of P and Q, Moore said. She pointed out that on the To-Do List, Sabine had also written that people should “join groups on Facebook, even though they may get banned and deleted; promote petitions; write comments and educate the sceptics; and use your emotions to fuel your creative actions and net activities! The sky is the limit!”

 “I was preaching to the converted”, said Sabine. “I was writing to those who believed the children”. She said that she had seen too many children removed from “loving parents”, and that it had never occurred to her before that this could be part of some sort of organised form of child sexual abuse. 

“In the video ‘Strategising with Sabine’, you say you want to get all 20 children”, said Moore. 

“No, I wanted them to be heard”, said Sabine. 

“You suggested that the 20 children should be taken and examined in a full police inquiry”, Moore pointed out. 

“No, I wanted them to look for distinguishing marks the children had mentioned”, Sabine said. “The petition to have this happen was set up by someone else, whereas I was concerned that children who had suffered would be heard”. 

Moore said that the “To-Do List” also told offline activists to get involved in physical research and investigations of the people and places mentioned in the 11-page document, who where alleged to be abusers.

“What does this mean?” she asked. “Tell us”. 

Sabine said that a person she knew who lived near the church and school in Hampstead had seen construction taking place at the church “but it was not kosher”. 

“But even when it turned out that the secret rooms in the church didn’t exist, you still promoted this”, Moore said. 

“I will always believe what the children said”, Sabine answered. 

Moore asked Sabine why she had praised people for taking actions such as making videos about the parents of the 20 children. 

“I was not alone”, said Sabine. “I was grateful for their support”. 

“Never mind grateful, did you praise them?” Moore asked. 

“Yes”, said Sabine. 

“There was more on Whistleblower Kids“, said Moore. “‘Extreme situations require extreme actions’—that was your call to action”. She pointed out that Sabine was publishing this material from the safety of Germany, where she was safe from the UK police.

“There was a European Arrest Warrant for me”, Sabine said. “I was afraid”.

“But it didn’t exist”, Moore said. 

She pointed out that Sabine had thanked others, such as Code2222’s YouTube playlist. “You said you were grateful to have a place to publish”.

“Google had taken my videos down”, Sabine said. 

“You were grateful because you knew that the videos would be taken down by people who wanted to get rid of this rubbish”, Moore said. 

“For me, it was not rubbish”. 

Moore pointed out that of the four million views of the P and Q videos, at least a proportion would have come from paedophiles.

“That was not in my realm of understanding”, said Sabine. 

Moore noted that Sabine had praised the blog Hampstead Research for their work. 

“I thought it very amazing what they had found”, Sabine said. 

“Very amazing”, said Moore. “Whistleblower Kids was linking to Hampstead Research“. The linked video featured a profile of a parent from the class list, with details about that parent’s business interests, as well as images of their child. The video referenced the parent sodomising babies and dancing around with skulls. 

“That was not my blog”, said Sabine. 

“It was not yours, but you published the link to it”, said Moore. 

“They did 21 videos, I cannot remember them all”. 

“But you thought it was excellent work”, said Moore. 

“I thought it was excellent, yeah, as a whole”. 

Moore said that after the restraining order in July 2016, Sabine had become aware that one of the parents had reported a breach to police. Sabine said she thought this person was a police officer. 

“What’s that got to do with it?” Moore asked. 

“I was biased against police”, said Sabine.

Moore said that when Sabine saw that this person had been alerting police to her activities, specifically about Sabine’s post to a German blog which constituted a breach of the restraining order, Sabine’s response was to talk in an email about “finding as much dirt as you can” on them. 

“Yes, I thought they were a police officer”. Sabine said that she had heard this from one of the police officers involved in her arrest.

“I would suggest that was not the case”, Moore said.

“I don’t think I picked that out of the air”, said Sabine. 

Moore asked, “How did you go about finding that dirt?”

“Well I didn’t, did I?” said Sabine. 

“You said you were going to”, Moore said. “What were you going to find?”

“I was going to confirm they were a police officer”. 

Moore said that during the “German breach”, Sabine had made no comment to the questions put by the officer who interviewed her. “The judge took the view that because the link had come about by discussion on a forum, it was a ‘technical breach'”.

However, the judge highlighted during his sentencing remarks that technical links could cause Sabine future problems, Moore said.

Sabine responded that her understanding had evolved, and that she was no longer in touch with Ella Draper. In addition, she said, “I had been victimised and traumatised to the point where I could scream about it”. Her pension had been stopped, she said. “And once again I ask myself, who was first?”

Following a brief break, Moore read out the terms of Sabine’s restraining order, focusing on item #3:

Not to make public in any way, including on the internet by any blog or otherwise including by re-publication of material already made public before the making of this order; 

(A) Anything relating to any persons set out in paragraph 1 above;

(B) Any allegations of cannibalism, sexual child abuse, or satanism, at any time at or in relation to Christ Church, or Christ Church Primary School.

“After the German problem, you took no steps to take down the Whistleblower Kids site”, Moore said. 

“I was not asked to”, said Sabine.

“Did you take it down?”

“No”. 

“What about your Google Drive?”

“No”. 

“You have a good knowledge of the internet”, Moore said. And yet, she said, Sabine had decided to edit a post on the Whistleblower Kids site because of a typing error. 

“That was one post”, said Sabine. 

Moore pointed out that on WordPress’s guide to using the “Publicise” function, it says there is a button which shows on each post, to enable the poster to disable sharing to Twitter, Facebook, and so forth.

“You can disable it”, she said. “It would have been very easy to make sure that Whistleblower Kids didn’t publish. 

“I edited one typo”, said Sabine. “I could not expect that Facebook would publish the post”. 

Moore paused in mid-question. “Do you find this funny?” she asked. 

“I find it funny that correcting a typo would cause publication”, Sabine said. 

“You do understand what ‘not to make public in any way’ means?”

“I had not ‘made public'”, said Sabine. “That was material that was already published!”

“No, no, no”, said Moore. “That was made clear by your own barrister. “You were publishing. That’s what you were doing”. 

“Not in my understanding”, said Sabine. 

Moore said the judge had made it clear that publishing again was a violation of the order. 

“I am sorry,” said Sabine. “That is not how I understood it”. 

“Yes, sending a tweet to say ‘here, look at this'” was a violation, Moore said. 

“No!” Sabine said. “You are connecting link to link to link!”

“But you know that if you post something saying, ‘Hey, look at this’…”

“‘Re-publication’ means printing a new post”, Sabine said. 

Moore asked her about her arrest in November 2016. 

“I don’t remember”, said Sabine. 

“Oh, I can remind you”, said Moore. 

“I’m terribly sorry, the experience of the arrest was such that…”

“On 4 November 2016 you were arrested for two breaches of the restraining order”, Moore said. “PC Davey reminded you of the terms of the order”.

At the interview, Sabine had read a statement in which she said she had tried to keep to the terms of the restraining order. Following this, she had given a “no comment” interview.

Once again, Moore read through the questions asked, including:

  • Are you aware that there are links from your blog to other pages regarding Christ Church Hampstead?’
  • Are you aware that this is in breach of  your restraining order?

“Let’s see if you accept this”, Moore said. “Everything on the Whistleblower Kids blog was in breach of the restraining order”. 

“No!” said Sabine. “It was all published before!” She said that when she had edited that previous post, it had only published to Facebook because it was a new Facebook page. 

“You had 70 blogs”, Moore said. “Why not publish on one of them?”

“I am a publisher”, said Sabine. “I wanted people to see”. 

“You wanted them to see it again”, said Moore. 

“No, it had already been seen”. 

“You don’t think that’s a breach, even though you were told by a police officer and the courts?”

“Yes”. 

“Even though when you do it, you are arrested?”

“Yes”. 

“Even though you end up in prison? That should have been a clue”. 

“I don’t remember why it first happened”, Sabine said. “It was the trauma. And hearing from [the witness in this trial] made more impact now than hearing from [the witness in the previous trial] behind the curtain”. 

“By the time you attended Synod, you had your computer”, Moore said. 

“Yes, but no internet”. 

“But you had access to information somewhere”, Moore said. “Was it on a hard drive?”

“If you are trying to imply that I was online…”

“No”, said Moore. “I’m not saying that….You typed that document out. Do you accept that if you had published it, the material in that document would have been in breach of the restraining order?”

“No, it was not public”, said Sabine. “It was private”. 

“I am asking whether the contents of the document, if they had been made public, would have been a breach”. 

“But the restraining order prevented me from re-publishing”. 

“No”, said Moore. “It makes it clear: publishing or re-publishing. It is very plain. So, knowing that, do you agree that the contents of that document offend the restraining order?”

“I’m feeling like what the police said, it was strange”, Sabine said. “You have no idea what’s in my head. You don’t understand how I think”. 

“You had solicitors at your police interviews”, said Moore. “You had a barrister at court. Did he take the time to explain what the restraining order meant? He was very very worried”. 

“I understood it there and then”, said Sabine. “After that experience that was very very unfamiliar to me—what could I do? Where could I go? To turn and twist that into a breach of the restraining order I find difficult to accept”. 

“‘Making public’ means ‘handing that document to five people at Synod'”, Moore said. 

“That’s making it public! After speaking in private?”

“But you don’t know Julian Whiting”, Moore pointed out.

“We had a conversation”. 

“You don’t know Heather Reed”. 

“We had a conversation”.

“You don’t know the Bishop of Bath and Wells”.

“We had a very important conversation…”

“The Bishop said that you gave him an A5 document, which you said had been given out only by Jake Clarke”. 

“I am trying to remember”, said Sabine. “I don’t believe I gave him a document”. 

“What I would like to know is why you took so many copies”, said Moore.

“I went into my office. I didn’t count them, I just put them in my rucksack”, said Sabine. “I didn’t prepare anything”. 

“You told the jury you wanted core participant status at the IICSA”, said Moore. 

Sabine said that the person who had suggested she go to Synod had said she could meet two solicitors who might be able to help her. 

“You applied to the IICSA after the restraining order”, said Moore. 

Sabine said that this had nothing to do with the order. 

Pointing out that Sabine had not registered with the IICSA until September 2017, Moore said, “What did you think you could do to help the IICSA? You have no children, and no experience with children’s evidence. You have no professional training in the area of child sexual abuse. You were going to talk about Hampstead”.

“I was going to talk about being a whistleblower!” Sabine said she had been registered with the Inquiry for some time before she applied for core status.

“There is absolutely nothing saying that you registered prior to September”, Moore said. 

“I can’t help that”, said Sabine. “Take it up with the IICSA!”

“You are very good on the computer”, said Moore. “You could have asked them about your status. I am challenging your suggestion that you had a legitimate reason for publishing about Hampstead”. 

“Ab-so-lute-ly not!” said Sabine. “My question was only about my whistleblower status. It was an online form, I don’t have any copy”. 

“You were refused, but you didn’t get the notice”, said Moore. “Was that before Synod?”

“Yes!” said Sabine. “Oh wait…was it?”

“So before you went to Synod…”

“No, it couldn’t have been”, said Sabine. “The police have my phone. They could check when I talked to my solicitor”. 

“After Synod, your bail restrictions were more stringent”, said Moore, moving on to discussion of the Churches’ Child Protection Advisory Service (CCPAS) helpline. “You said you wanted pastoral care, but then you said you wanted an investigation into a particular priest at a particular church”. 

“After Synod?” asked Sabine. 

“After Synod. This was on 3 March, after your new bail conditions”. 

Sabine said she had rung Julian Whiting. 

“Yes, you rang Whiting, and he rang Stevens”, Moore said.

“It was Julian who said ‘You need pastoral care'”, Sabine said. 

“Susan Stevens gave evidence about your phone call”, Moore said. “You did not say anything about pastoral care, did you?”

“No, Julian did that”. 

“You did not say you needed pastoral counselling”, said Moore. “You discussed a church and a priest”. 

“Not at all!”

Moore said that Stevens testified that she had received a call on the helpline from Sabine, who was ‘happy for me to share this information with you’. “You had shared some information, and you had named a priest”, she said. 

“She asked me for that information”, said Sabine. “I was giving some context for pastoral care”. 

“Did you ask for pastoral care at all?”

Sabine said Stevens already knew that this was the purpose of her call. 

“So why didn’t you talk about it?”

“Because my one concern was how does this one church relate to the 3,300 churches in the Church of England”, Sabine said. 

“You called her deliberately to tell her about a particular priest”, said Moore. 

“Definitely not!”

“You already knew you had no core status with the IICSA”.

“I am extremely sorry to completely disagree with that”, Sabine said. 

“When you were putting up medical evidence about P and Q, how was that helping them?” Moore asked. 

“Because it was proof that they were right!” 

“They will never be able to escape the filth you put online”. 

“I did not put up filth!” said Sabine. 

“Really?” said Moore. “I have no further questions”.

Re-examination

Tana Adkin QC asked Sabine to clarify whether she had put up the Change.org site on 21 January 2015. Sabine said she had. 

Adkin asked about the nature of Sabine’s contact with Ella Draper. Sabine said Ella had phoned and that they had met in person.

“Was this daily? By email and phone?” Adkin asked. Sabine confirmed this. 

“It has been suggested that on 8 February 2015, Ella sent you a letter to ask for her material back, and cutting contact with you. Did she give you that material?” 

Sabine said Ella had given it to her on 26 January. 

“You responded saying you were miffed, and that she didn’t appreciate your efforts”, Adkin said. “By 8 February had the material begun to make a viral reaction online?”

“Yes”, said Sabine. 

“Was this your last contact with Ella?”

“No, that was on 8 June”, said Sabine. 

“What was her attitude then?”

“She was very happy”, said Sabine. “I wanted her to have my solicitor”. 

Adkin asked Sabine whether she remembered being upset by a nasty comment regarding the Barbie doll plan. 

“I don’t remember”, said Sabine. 

“Was there one comment? More than one?”

Sabine said that this was a person who had had his 12-year-old child removed from his care. 

“You took down the post?”

“I took down the whole site”. 

Moore interrupted, stating that this was not a re-examination or clarification in any way. The jury was sent out while the barristers and judge discussed a point of procedure. 

When the jury returned, Adkin resumed her re-examination. 

“Was your NFA in 2015 or 2016?” she asked. Sabine said that it had been in 2015. 

“On 11 January 2016 at your police interview, you were asked about the Neelu Berry evidence”, Adkin said. “Where was this stored on your computer?”

“It was a two-page PDF”, Sabine said. “It would be on the hard drive or possibly the Google Drive. Neelu Berry sent it to me. I would save it to the library of the blog, and access it through Whistleblower Kids“.

“When you were arrested, were the statements till on the Whistleblower Kids site?”

“I think I took them off, but I don’t remember exactly when”. 

“The ‘To-Do List'”, Adkin said. “When was that created?”

“In the beginning”, Sabine said. “I had a campaign in mind quite early”. 

“Where on the site is it located?”

“It’s on the menu of pages”, Sabine said.

“Is that the banner at the top?”

“Yes”.

Adkin said she had no further questions. 

Court adjourned for the day. Tomorrow, the barristers and judge will meet to consider legal questions, in preparation for Monday, when prosecution and defence will make their closing statements. While the public is permitted to attend tomorrow’s session, in the absence of the jury no reporting will be permitted. 

148 thoughts on “Sabine McNeill on trial: Day 13

  1. a person she knew who lived near the church and school in Hampstead had seen construction taking place at the church “but it was not kosher”.

    In the C-of-E you are allowed to work on Saturday.

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      • In the absence of the movie clip I wanted to post to demonstrate EC’s point, you’ll have to settle for the transcript instead and use your imaginations (or memories if you’ve seen said movie, of course)…

        INT. CORNER OF DINGY LONDON PUB, BY THE FRUIT MACHINE:
        Nick the Greek: You won’t have to. Just get me a sample.
        Tom: No can do.
        Nick the Greek: What’s that? A place near Katmandu? Meet me halfway, mate.
        Tom: Look, it’s all completely chicken soup.
        Nick the Greek: It’s what?
        Tom: It’s kosher. As Christmas.
        Nick the Greek: The Jews don’t celebrate Christmas, Tom.
        Tom: Well, never mind that. I’m gonna need some artillery too, couple of sawn-off shot-guns.

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      • When the kohen comes to perform the inspection, he looks for lesions on the wall that appear either intense green (ירקרקת) or intense red (אדמדמת) and that appear sunken below the plane of the wall’s surface (שפל מן הקיר, literally “lower than the wall”). If this is what he sees, the kohen exits the house and confines it for seven days.[45]

        An in-depth knowledge of the works of Baldung Grien provides me with this image of a building with intense red lesions on the wall.

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  2. Wow, too. Nearly the end.

    JAWDROPPING.

    EC, will you be going tomorrow? How are you feeling? Are you enjoying it? I would have loved to have seen Sabine in person, I wish I could have been there…I only had 1 day off in the whole month, forgot to pack my passport, realised too late, on the train to London…passport being the only photo ID I have at the moment they would accept…I realised they would never let me in. I was so looking forward to it. Never mind, you have given us all a grand seat to the proceedings. Thank you.

    PS Does Sabine ever look at you, does she realise who you are, I wonder?

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    • Yeah, it’s been so frustrating. I really wanted to attend but haven’t been able to due to work. I’m hoping to make up for that in Angela’s upcoming trial 🙂

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      • I will definitely join you for that one, take extra time off. This time I couldn’t get more than 1 full day in the whole mth, was too busy, stressed, in a rush to get to train, and forgot the document…I was really upset when I realised I would not have normally needed ID if it was not for these extreme nutters… my civil liberties as a public spectator were curtailed by them, not as they claim, by the ‘system’. I mean narcissist drone man on the phone with Andy De Vine, etc. .’first time ever’ this has happened? Shows you what extreme people we are dealing with here.

        It’ll be lovely to meet you at APD’s upcoming trial.

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    • For Hoaxteaders only (not for publication to The Mob)..
      f anyone is attending the court and wishes to buy EC a well deserved cuppa I’m told that she may be unrecognizable after claims from John Patterson that every too-bit minor crim in South London will be casing the court. They’ll never spot her.

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    • I won’t be in court today, because I can’t generally report on anything which happens while the jury is not in the court. It’s just as well from my point of view, as I have that stupid cold that’s been going round, and don’t mind having a bit of time to recover before next week.

      I don’t know whether Sabine knows who I am. She’s shown no indication, but I expect that her friends who attend will have told her.

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    • Yes, we’ve accumulated a small stack of comments which we felt would be better aired after the trial. 🙂 Glad you’re enjoying the coverage.

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  3. “You don’t think that’s a breach, even though you were told by a police officer and the courts?”

    “Yes”.

    “Even though when you do it, you are arrested?”

    “Yes”.

    “Even though you end up in prison? That should have been a clue”.

    LOL Ms Moore!

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    • And for anyone who missed it, Devine has announced that Flo Destroyer is… Malcolm Ogilvy!

      And that Cat Scot is… Flo Destroyer’s cousin 🤣

      And how has Ogilvy responded? By, er, attacking his former guru Andy Devine’s wife!

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      • Oh and I see he’s responded to me mentioning it… by threatening to kill me 🤣

        Anyway, that’s enough space wasted talking about this knuckle-scraping ape. There’s too much going on in the human world to bother with him.

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        • “Tick tock knob” – I used to find it an embarrassing affliction, but since I found work as a metronome I’ve never looked back.

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    • LOL
      “They blocked me from all three accounts now”
      “They all got multiple accounts”, says the man with….. multiple accounts…

      “This video will go down in history” PMSL, what an ego…

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    • A blatant liar.
      They haven’t “all been told to keep away from this case”. Just @eddisok who is incapable of understanding court rules that 100s of people all over the country adhere to every day and John Patterson while unfortunately being hit by someone apparently the police know who the offender is and they will presumably be dealt with in time. (or D.C Grimwood will never hear the end of it)

      Patterson can return to the court at any time but note: it’s he that has outrageously claimed that South London gangsters who he says his nephew has married into basically have a hit out on the judge.
      Andy Devine knows this and allowed Patterson to promote this on Facebook where 100s could read it and disseminate the claims. Very dangerous.

      Andy Devine is a gutter lowlife & I wish he have a frigging shave before he pontificates and don’t any of these plonkers know they should put the camera looking down on them as the most flattering angle.?

      But the Big Question is: how come that missing spectacles arm has swapped places over night? So bloody weird.

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      • I wondered the very same thing, he has a left and right missing arm, and swaps them for a change, lol. He specialises in one armed specs, poor man.

        I think his wife prefers him talking all that crap to the computer rather than having to listen to it herself, I don’t blame her.

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        • Actually I think that’s due to some of his videos being back-to-front. Check out the reversed writing on his t-shirt in some of them.

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  4. Amazing! once again, EC. Thank you.

    “But even when it turned out that the secret rooms in the church didn’t exist, you still promoted this”, Moore said.

    “I will always believe what the children said”, Sabine answered.

    Did she really say that?

    anon

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    • My cousin recently asked her youngest child “Did you take your sisters sweets?”. She said “No Mummy, a big pink monster came in through the window and ate them all.” I think that means we should start a crowdfunding campaign to research the problem of the big pink sweet eating monsters that are infesting suburban gardens.

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    • Yeah, as long as “always” means ‘as long the children say what I want to hear, but not if they start telling the truth about Abe and Ella torturing them and forcing them to lie…. ‘

      (if this comment needs to be held back I understand)

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      • The dog was taken to Spain by Ella and Abe, I believe, as it was heard in videos they made together there. Cant recall details now but pretty sure the dog ended up there. Who knows where or with whom she is now, since they have both gone their separate ways.

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    • Imagine my surprise each time one of these satan-sniffing wannabee-witchburners turns out to be an antisemitic tyre-streak.

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      • I’ve just had a retweet and like from Rachel Riley for supporting her anti-Semitism comments, so if you hear no more from me it’s because I am about to die happy! 😍

        [A friend of mine was on Countdown. His best score was “POOFTAHS”. Despite his sterling performance, he lost to a 14 year old!]

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  5. Wesley was spouting off as well on Voice of Treason & his other Hampstead page afew days ago, cannot link due to trial. I had hoped he was in prison in Spain but no such luck!

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    • The knobhead is rabbiting on about ” Panama Papers “, Cambridge Analytica etc as though the lazy turd had something to do with them. They get on my wick these creeps. Never an original thought in their heads and as soon as someone does all the hard work, you know like real investigation and journalism these leeches jump on board, claim they are a “whistle blower” just because they have a Facebook page and can string a few words together & post a link to something they’d never heard about last week.
      Time he had his collar felt as well.

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      • The courageous journalist and anti-corruption journalist Daphne Caruna Galiza was murdered in retaliation for her research and reporting regarding the Panama Papers.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia

        That the hoaxers appropriate the great work of a courageous heroine is unsurprising though yes? They have no shame, no moral compass.

        Real activism and journalism against serious criminals is extremely dangerous. One wonders why the Hampstead hoax promoters never get round to any real reporting of serious criminals and corrupt officials? It is not as though there is a shortage of horrors and abuses in the world.

        There is plenty for them to do if they want to get involved in real activism. Many of them are in an unprecedented position to report on corruption, child abuse and organised crime as they move in circles where predatory criminals are as abundant as fish in the sea.

        It is a mystery to me quite how the hoaxers fail to notice the paedophiles, pimps, sexual predators, con men and women, cults and serious criminals amongst their associates. If it wasn’t so sad and so depressing it could almost be funny how they support criminals and predators whilst accusing innocent people of heinous crimes.

        The fact is that if there was a cabal of elite satanists that regularly feasted on roasted baby and conducted human sacrifices the so called “whistle blowers” would have all been sacrificed and eaten up long ago.

        It is my understanding that evil cults do exist; cults whose modus operandi includes horrific sexual and other abuses against adults and children, blackmail, fraud, violent crimes and other serious crimes on a massive scale scale. If anyone wants to find them the place to look is amongst the pseudo-spiritual new age religious and personal development cults promoted by the hoaxers. Their friends might look like an assortment of “love and light” hippies, tarot card readers, life coaches, new age sex workers, pick up artists, and assorted small time new age grifters, however circling around the smaller fish are bigger, more sinister fish and circling around them are a lot of huge sharks.

        Psychotherapists, healers, energy therapists and hypnotherapists are also commonly found in the same social and cultural / sub-cultural circles as the hoaxers and their criminal friends. They often appear to work cooperatively alongside the hoaxers and their criminal associates.

        I just would like to point out that cooperative criminal enterprises involving psychotherapists, psychologists, psychiatrists and criminals are nothing new.

        In the days of the USSR psychiatric services were an extension of the state and political dissidents were subjected to detention in psychiatric hospitals where they suffered terrible abuses.

        In the USA scams organised by pseudo-spiritual grifters (the “spook racket”) in collusion with mental health professionals were reported on as far back as 1946 as far as I know and possibly earlier. Certainly Pierre Barnard was known to have psychiatrists as followers, which would have taken these cooperative grifts back to the begging of the twentieth century. These kinds of alliances are as old as the hills.

        One man who worked amongst the grifters in travelling fairs and carnivals was the troubled author William Lindsay Gresham – a very interesting man who was involved in all kinds of grifts including Co$. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lindsay_Gresham

        Gresham’s fictional novel (crammed with fascinating insights gained from his experiences in the spook racket) Nightmare Alley (1946) is a good place to gain insight into how these grifts operated.

        Grisham’s novel was made into a film of the same name that can be seen on youtube. I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in the interface between corrupt mental health professionals and spook racket grifters. Anyone interested in the subject can see it here – really is a beautifully crafted film, an oldie but a goodie!

        The original book is a fascinating, educational read also. While neither the book nor the film provide an exhaustive breakdown of criminal / psychiatric abuses, anyone who has studied this issue or is interested in it will find much that they recognise.

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  6. Thanks again to EC for the careful, accurate, non-sensational reporting.

    Like many here I have been biting my tongue and keeping my typing fingers under close control.

    For a little diversion at the weekend I though that readers here much enjoy this recently published Vice video that depicts the “work” of a hypnotherapist who uses the same recovered memory techniques as satan hunters to help people recover repressed traumatic memories of alien abduction

    The comments under the video are interesting with many people clinging to the bizarre belief that the “victims” were not really abducted by aliens but instead repressed memories of child sexual abuse that became distorted into memories of aliens by the hypnotherapists.

    What a completely insane place the word has become.

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    • I can’t find the link now but only yesterday I listened to an interview with 2 Scandinavian women on ABC Radio National,about “memory” recovered & otherwise.
      They had worked with the world’s leading expert who himself had told of how he had his own false memory: he was convinced that as a student he and some pals had driven a car into a lake.

      Talking to one of those friends decades later he commented to them : “we really did something very illegal that night” and the puzzled friend corrected him saying they did no such thing- they had driven the car to a second hand car dealer and left it with him to dispose of.

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      • Anyone who has undertaken even the most rudimentary perusal of the academic literature re false memories understands that we all experience false memories and that human memory is fallible.

        Elizabeth Loftus and Julia Shaw are two of the leading academics in the field and have both published highly regarded papers on the subject.

        Some videos that readers of the blog may find illuminating

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    • This Devine bloke does nothing but rabbit on in his videos. And that’s it ! Rabbit ,rabbit, rabbit.
      He doesn’t actually do anything the lazy sod. He must really think that he is changing the entire world system from his living room. Even Mr Patterson gets out & about occasionally not that it does him any good.

      Any moment now they really believe the system is going to come crashing down because of Gordon Frigging Bowden and his incomprehensible rubbish about Finchley Road yet a cursory glance at his “evidence” shows it’s non-existent as anyone with the slightest accountancy experience can see -there is nothing there.
      I mean these guys think they have re-invented the wheel from the comfort of their PC.

      I don’t like to be cruel or snobbish but this bunch have obviously never really had jobs of any consequence. You can see in the way they really actually believe Bowden is somehow a worldly intelligent bloke because he served in the armed forces for a while (why do they keep mentioning as though it means something?). Putting on my Freud Frock again (with large Picture Hat) I think that’s the real problem here: a desperate attempt to be of relevance when they are, to be cruel, no-bodies.

      I blame the internet. It’s given every crackpot on the planet the means to link up and prop each other up in their lunacies. Such as believing money would be paid to Hoaxteaders or paid by same to others to “troll” a bunch of the World’s Non-Entities. (and that goes for you too Angela Power-Disney.)

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  7. Looking at the quote in the comment above mine, the chap in the quote makes some grammar mistakes doesn’t he “Video’s” for “videos” – last I heard apostrophe s in a word denoted singular possessive case. (Then again if he was not being unpleasant about people I wouldn’t mention little mistakes. Far be it be for him to blow his own trumpet and then goes on to do that. And then in “Lees” which should be Lees’ or Lees’s (there is a bit of controversy about where the apostrophe indicates possession in a singular word ending in “s”) he leaves the apostrophe out. Like I say, if he wasn’t being unpleasant I wouldn’t pick up on it.

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  8. Those cowardly psychos Pikey and Devine have been attacking EC’s daughter (psst, lads – that ship sailed months ago – d’oh!). They’ve also posted Flo’s (probably wrong) address and the (also probably wrong) name of his ex. On the plus side, Flo’s already got the post taken down, which will also hopefully result in yet another Facebook ban for creepy Devine 🙂



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    • By the way, I see that evil scumbag Rebecca Shan popped by for a spot of self-projection 🙄

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    • By the way, Andy Devine said in his live stream yesterday that he was desperate for his wife not to find out about Ogilvy’s attacks on her, which had been prompted by stuff Andy said about him whilst using her account. Unfortunately for him, it seems I may have accidentally blurted it out to her. Oops!

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    • They are all going to blow their tops when they discover that Rev Dr Anthony G. Pike is a sock puppet email address I run using a VPN in New Zealand on which I post false information specifically designed to get their channels and Facebook accounts closed down 😁

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    • Heather Jane Devine is as creepy as Andy Devine is Thick.
      She posted this utter claptrap which is from a Russian Fake News website: a malicious & false claim whereby The Pope allegedly made this ludicrous statement.
      What this Russian troll site did was mis-translate (surely deliberately) the Exultet and turned it into a prayer of adoration directed to Satan.
      I find it so offensive.

      While I subscribe to no religion it’s been around me all my life and I’ve taken a fascination in it’s many forms.
      My mother belonged to the Russian Orthodox Church which almost mirrors the Catholic Church.
      But I was also married to an intelligent Catholic lady for 20 years whose every male cousin seemed to be a priest.
      I often attended services to keep her company, Midnight Masses and so on. Always in the biggest Cathedrals we could find around the world. My ex as a Latin scholar would explain all the old Catholic Latin services which she loved.
      The Exultet has probably been heard many times, during their lifetime by the one billion Catholics on the planet from all over world to South America, Europe, The Philippines etc where they take their religion seriously. Girls at Convents learn about it as do boys at Catholic schools.

      This two are really a pair of like minded sick f*cks. Racists and antisemites who mock everyone who doesn’t listen to their moronic claptrap. Perhaps they indulge in too much Ouzo.
      ( I’ve asked the cat to pour me a large G&T so I can calm down).

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  9. God give me strength, I had to stop listening to Devine & Angela half way through, btw Angela has again named the children & their Dad, doesn’t she always! I don’t know which of them drone on more & Angela starts a whingefest about having no friends! I wonder why!

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    • Yes! But have you noticed how they do it from abroad lol

      He is ok telling and saying this and that from the comfort from his house abroad.

      If he had any balls he would come to the UK.

      He won’t though because he’s nothing more than a child abusing scared keyboard warrior.

      And as thick as two short planks!

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  10. El Coyote, I hope you have a fresh spiral bound notebook and a multitude of writing implements.

    Overheard on the tube today, two geezers, on the way to the Tommeh Brexit march, discussing how mean the Guardian is about saying it is about EDL, then chat about how John, just got off a murder rap, shouldn’t be taking a knife to the preorganised post match football thugathons, because he’ll get banged up, and, well, police come down hard, which is so unfair, because they don’t do that to the horrible Antifa. Also, if there’s is no Brexit, these two charmers said there would be civil war. They had help for heroes wristbands and out of season remembrance poppy badges.

    They don’t outshine the two House of Lords know nothings who were pontificating on the tube loudly about the cash reserves of housing associations, they should build houses, they said! yes, many billions, so a few grand per house they own for repairs.

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  11. Actually, Angela, Ireland was very welcoming to someone who popped over in August to expose the truth 🤭

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  12. Breaking News : Free Energy for One Million in Morocco !!
    Hope Girl? Abraham Christie? QEG? Kryptonite?
    Alas no- solar energy.

    Sustainable Development Goal on Energy (SDG7) and the World Bank Group
    The Lighting Africa program (includes Morocco) supports real energy service delivery through portable and fixed-point solar power production. The program has reached 14 million people in under 6 years and the market is growing at 141% annually. Lighting Africa operates in 12 countries, has 47 quality-verified products currently in the market, and has helped catalyze the commercial market.
    http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/energy/brief/sustainable-development-goal-on-energy-sdg7-and-the-world-bank-group?cid=ECR_TT_worldbank_EN_EXT

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  13. Hello everyone, I’m off to visit the criminal courts of justice in Parkgate St., Dublin tomorrow. It’s a college outing and we’re being taken on a tour by a legal expert. We’ve been asked to have questions ready for him so I’m obviously going to ask about the hypothetical situation of a woman resident in Ireland being investigated for online harassment, the complainant being from the UK.

    And I want to find out if a prohibitory order can be taken against a person persistently defaming another online….my college tutor thinks an injunction order would need to be processed in the UK?

    There is actually a similar case upcoming this month:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/dublin-blogger-accused-of-online-harassment-of-cbeebies-presenter-1.3624389

    Anyway, whilst researching material I came across this PDF from the Gardaí:

    https://www.garda.ie/en/FAQs/General/Hotline-info-graphic.pdf

    It’s a graphic explaining what should be reported to the Garda hotline.ie

    I’m thinking that in addition to reporting certain videos and posts to the online hosts of various social media, reporting them to hotline.ie would be a good option too. What do you think?

    @EC I’m learning the technical skill of using quotes – your use of quotes is brilliant and reiterates so well what I’m learning. You’ve always been a great pleasure to read but even more so with my tiny fresh insight.

    I’m forever grateful.

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  14. I hear John Wanoa has taken over Parliament, pity nobody informed Teresa May, it would have saved her all those problems today.

    He did it in a courthouse on wheels too, fantastic eh!

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  15. It looks like it was a busy day at Southwark today. I had a look at the court listings, and Sabine was there, as well as the bizarre and vexatious Alison Chabloz in a different courtroom!

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