New evidence shows: Ella failed polygraph

Hey, remember that lie detector test Ella took a few months ago? Abraham and Ella made a video about it which they tried to flog on Amazon in an attempt to raise some cash, and for a while various Hoaxtead mobsters touted it as absolute evidence that Ella had been telling the truth all along, case closed.

At the time, we were sceptical of the entire exercise, as we have always been given to understand that polygraphs consisted of many questions, and were designed to measure the subject’s baseline response against their response when answering more difficult questions.

By comparison, this was the entire exam, as administered by Portuguese polygraph expert Amavel Sanches, who describes himself as the “spiritual leader” behind BEAR Forensics in Madrid:

Sanches: Do you understand I will only ask questions we have talked about?
Ella: Yes.
Sanches: Concerning the testimony of your children, are you going to answer truthfully each question on this test?
Ella: Yes.
Sanches: Are you sitting down?
Ella: Yes.
Sanches: Did you train your children to accuse their dad?
Ella: No.
Sanches: Are you aware of your children being inducted?
Ella: No.
Sanches: Did you coach your children in giving their testimony?
Ella: No.
Sanches: Okay, done!

It all seemed just a bit…abbreviated, and we were unsurprised when Sanches proclaimed that Ella had passed the test.

The video that busted it wide open

We were watching a video by MK Ultra 666, who regularly parodies and pokes fun at the Hoaxtead mob, when we suddenly realised something we ought to have noticed before: the video contains a very telling screenshot from Ella’s polygraph video.

Here’s the screenshot from MK Ultra’s video: MK Ultra video still 2018-10-05 polygraph ellaThe top horizontal lines, in blue, represent her respiratory rate; the middle line, in black, represents her electro-dermal activity (sweating as measured on her fingertips); and the bottom red line represents her blood pressure and heart rate.

Looking at this, we suddenly realised (duh!) that on the third-to-last question, Ella’s electro-dermal activity and heart rate had both spiked.

Here’s the same shot, this time from Abe and Ella’s YouTube channel (and with our notations):Ella Gareeva polygraph video 2018-10-05 actual answersThe video title—”Mother Ella Gareeva Found Innocent!!!!!” seems just a bit ironic, as this image—found at 16:14 on the video—clearly shows that when Sanches asked, “Did you train your children to accuse their dad?” her heart pounded and she began to sweat.

In fact, when she answered one of the baseline questions, “Are you sitting down?”, her heart rate and blood pressure were quite low, jumping at the first “real” question and only settling back to baseline level at the end of the test.

Why did Sanches claim that Ella had passed the test, when the video evidence is so clear? That’s anybody’s guess. Perhaps he’d like to sit down for a polygraph himself some time?MK Ultra video still 2 2018-10-05 polygraph Ella

53 thoughts on “New evidence shows: Ella failed polygraph

  1. Why did Sanches claim that Ella had passed the test, when the video evidence is so clear? That’s anybody’s guess.

    My guess is that “selling worthless (legally non-admissable) attestations of his clients’ innocence” is literally the service he is selling. It’s his whole business model:
    Especially in cases where charges are based on someone’s accusations without any physical evidence or witnesses, a polygraph test can be the only procedure to test or confirm somebody’s innocence.

    http://bearforensics.com/forensic-services/forensic-polygraph/

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  2. Oh dear oh dear. since when did people get to administer their own quack polygraph tests ? and what would a friendly paid test accomplish anyway ? they need to be done in a clinical manner by a neutral operative. I remember that attempt at a docu. they intercut footage of a guy who died years ago as somehow proving something. it got bad reviews and was pulled very quickly. doubt they ever made even a fraction of their budget back, let alone a profit. And it hardly proves ella didn’t share private police and court documents, which is central to what she faces arrest for.

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  3. I find it hard to fathom that someone would allow their professional reputation to be put on the line for these people. I wonder if he’s aware of who she is and what she’s done?

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  4. Is this more of the “sarcasm” of which you young kids speak?

    Lying on Ella’s behalf could in fact be a good advertisement for Sanches’ “professional reputation”, if (I am just speculating here) if that reputation is as a lowlife grifter untroubled by ethics or qualifications, and if his intended customers are other lowlifes who think his worthless testimony will help them.

    Would Ella have risked going to anyone with a reputation for integrity?

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  5. Their website is a cheap looking affair with lots of general drivel and cut and pasted images from google. their facebook page hasn’t been updated for over a year and nobody has written a review so far. looks like a mickey mouse outfit. probably involved with shady private detectives and divorce / infidelity issues. anyone seen the two jakes with jack nicholson ? that kind of world. busting through motel doors with cameras, honeytraps and out of court cash settlements. the shady twilight world of golddiggers and black widows putting the squeeze on sugar daddies.

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  6. probably involved with shady private detectives and divorce / infidelity issues

    “Divorce” is indeed one of their two areas of expertise (the other being accusations of sexual misconduct).

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  7. I did a quick google around. there’s quite a few private eyes who offer polygraphs in divorce or custody battles. let’s remember how this affair started with custody issues. they range from top notch professional outfits with ex police operatives acting wholly within the law to surveile and investigate to everything you’ve seen in a cheap crime movie. because they usually work with a view to keeping it out of court it never reaches the public what goes on. bearing in mind faceyoga and the pissdrinker are absolute amateurs who attempt to video children in public places and then showed their efforts to the police in a move that saw the children placed in care they will try anything to get attention. obviously being such idiots and hardly wanting to spend much they found the cheapest guy they could find who obviously didn’t care about anything but the money. I don’t know where this leads but it’s certainly another piece in the puzzle. what’s amusing is that people are accepting it as proof of the cult.

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  8. He’ll have just counted the money and got on with it. he’s a private operator no different from a decorater who’ll happily paint your house lime green with orange spots if that’s what you pay for.

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  9. Yeah. the bottom of the barrel. jake gittes said when marriages went bad people were miserable, it was his job to put them out of their misery. these are the legal peeping toms of the world, noses firmly to the dirt. Good job ella didn’t hire a good one in 2014 or things might have been different by far.

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  10. Funny thing is that in most places, they aren’t even used- simply because they dont work!
    “Are they reliable?

    Although polygraph companies claim that their devices are accurate, this is far from the truth.

    Different people can react differently under intense questioning.

    Some, including “psychopaths”, have been shown to remain calm under pressure regardless of the nature of the questions.

    Others tend to become nervous when asked questions that are obviously important, such as “did you kill ‘x’”, even though they are completely innocent.

    To add to the problem, certain officers of the US military are ‘trained’ to beat polygraphs by creating and maintaining a constant level of anxiety.

    Consistent with this is the idea that some people are able to fool polygraph machines by intentionally creating pain and/or anxiety during the interview: which is sometimes called the ‘thumb tack in the shoe trick’.
    The outcome is that there have be numerous reported examples of innocent people failing polygraphs and vice versa.

    Are they admissible as evidence in court?

    The results from lie detectors cannot be used in NSW courts.

    Section 6(1) of the Lie Detectors Act 1983 (NSW) states that the output from a lie detector, and any opinion based on that output, is inadmissible in court.

    It is also an offence for a person to use a lie detector to establish whether or not a person is guilty of any crime that is punishable by a fine or imprisonment.

    Lie detectors are also banned in a range of other situations.

    For example, employers cannot use lie detectors to test an employee’s honesty, or for training purposes, or during the job application process.

    And insurance companies are not permitted to use them when evaluating an insurance claim.”
    https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/should-lie-detectors-be-used-in-australia/

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  11. The famous five book i’m reading just gave me shivers. george’s father is a scientist, uncle Quentin.

    ‘no, i think it’s something that will give up heat, light and power for almost nothing !’ said george. ‘I heard father say it’s the simplest and best idea anyone had ever worked out, and he’s awfully excited about it. he calls it a “gift to mankind” and said he was proud to have anything to do with it.’

    this was written in 1955. was hopegirl a famous five reader inspired by this ? was enid blyton murdered 13 years later to cover this up ? can the publishers sue charles seven over it, or vice versa. what this really proves is coincidence is a very real and unremarkable thing. Personally i think enid may have been the nostradomas or Q Anon of our time and the evil left attempted to censor her. i’ll keep you updated.

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  12. I find it odd he was so keen to appear in the video asserting his credentials. who does that ? he’s a little too eager to advertise himself. coupled with the crappy questions and him asserting the wrong result i’m suspicious.

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  13. Been years since I read the F.F. series, read them as a young teen, those, and Hardy Boys series, the Three Investigators
    LOL- I doubt they have aged well, no one at the time made anything of them, but these days, would be very politically incorrect

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  14. Thank you MK for bringing this to our attention and exposing once again Ella’s lies. Very much appreciated.

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  15. Example . . . she was covered in soot and looked as black as a n****r. bernard manning levels, not just a little racist like your gran calling people ‘chocolate drops’ or bumbling boris. properly full on racist. maybe not as bad as hitler or tommy robinson but a nasty woman.

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  16. I was on there earlier reading the reviews. a couple of positive ones all overjoyed about the mass murder being proven. odd.

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  17. Enid was a racist. it shows. now the tom sayyer guy, mark twain, he uses the language of the day but it never comes across as hateful or demeaning. i’d hate him to be rewritten, it’d be wrong. high time i reread those stories. not touched em in a ****’s age

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  18. OT: The SBMs lead singer tried to kick me during a gig because he didn’t like his monitor mix. He missed and kicked the dimmer racks. 🤣 The idiot should have done a proper soundcheck! 🥁🎸🔊👨‍🎤

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  19. I have no doubt that it is racist in a broad sense, but you have to take into account it was the custom of the time.

    My mother is from south asia and whilst I’ve taken after my dad in melanin levels, my mother and sister are decidedly of a darker pigmentation – so much so that we were called “wogs” “sambos” and “jungle bunnies” when we were growing up. That didn’t stop my mother getting me a golliwog for my 2nd birthday. It is the only toy from my childhood I still have… although he is shy and stays in a cupboard nowadays preferring not to socialise with visitors!

    She also bought me Enid Blyton’s “The Three Golliwogs” when I was learning to read. If I remember it correctly they were the heroes of the stories.

    “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.”

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  20. Yeah those foreigners do do things differently, especially the bleeding belgravians. They’re the worst.

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  21. I’ve been looking into bill. he remortgaged his house to fund a fourty grand movie, the lunatic, before he became the Gnomebotherer general. something iffy about him. Apparently him and brian harvey from east 17 had a row.

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  22. She’s damaged. the only people who behave like her with an unnatural desire for control have at some point been absolutely without any control whatsoever. not excusing the mad trout but she’s got issues deep down and she’s never addressed them. i wonder what happened to her ? or maybe she was just born twisted.

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  23. She was racist, she was also extremely sexist and thought women were inferior to men, in other words like many others of her time…
    Abraham Lincoln was another that history remembers well, but was also extremely racist
    It’s best to not judge the past too harshly by ‘modern’ standards, remember that while we might consider ourselves to be the pinnacle of modern society, in the future, we might be judged just as much by our descendants…
    And I suspect we as a generation will be condemned just as much if not more

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  24. Enid Blyton was a bit cut off from the rest of the world and had to be told by her Publisher that she couldn’t publish a book called ‘Noddy Spends a Penny’. 🙂

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  25. Polygraphs aren’t reliable and as mentioned above, if you’re a wee bit psychopathic they might not work at all. I’d venture to say that if you’re a practiced meditator (as Ella is) you could probably manage to get round one anyway.

    Most of the sites I’ve looked at say a polygraph test takes a few hours to administer, so what happened in Ella’s case? It’s dodgy and I’m not buying it.

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  26. Yes, Ella is/was a devotee of the Supreme Master Ching Hai, and was very big on meditation (which she forced on her kids, according to them). Nothing at all wrong with meditation, as it can help a lot of people with anxiety or blood pressure issues, and is generally a good way to de-stress.

    However, looking at Ella’s breathing pattern on the computer screen readout (as in the screenshots above) one can see that she starts by breathing normally (i.e. rather shallow breaths) during the first couple of questions, but then much more deeply for the final questions. Steadying herself to avoid reacting to the question? We’ll never really know, but it does look that way.

    p.s. I’ll bet they regret allowing the camera person to include that shot of Sanches’ computer screen now. 🙂

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  27. His cheap usb polygraph toy says it all. a real one is a highly engineered machine with ultra high tolerances that is finely tuned and needs a certain amount of skill. he probably bought his with a redundancy payout and doesn’t get much work. he looks and acts like a muppet.

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  28. It’s never been cool to buy and sell people like livestock and people opposed that at the time. a few opposed hitler early on, while the cowardly masses did nothing. it’s not the times that change so much as a good 95percent of the population are gutless pussies with no souls and will always accept the easiest option.

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  29. Someone sent amazon a cease and desist over improper use of copyright materal belonging to the deceased’s estate. it’s in limbo.

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  30. This is the most disqualifying statement from a supposed expert polygraph practitioner.:
    Sanches: Do you understand I will only ask questions we have talked about?
    Absolutely forbidden in any blind test… and even then she failed.

    It was a fake test from the beginning and only shows either what a gullible or maliciously prejudiced bunch you’ve been dealing with all this time.

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  31. I don’t want to get all technical here but the test to see whether hyperpolarisation causes you to imagine ovine forms is the Voigt-Kampff test. It was misspelled in later kinematic projection works. 🤖💤⚡🐑🐑🐑

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  32. if you’re a practiced meditator (as Ella is)

    That would imply mastery of one of the self-awareness, self-control meditation traditions, starting with
    Ānāpānasati. Does that sound like her? Practicing some grifter’s debased mock-meditating imitation wouldn’t help.

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  33. This was a very good post. a great bit of research showing the value of looking again at the merest crumbs in old pieces certainly pays. the chat was highly informative. only criticism is there aren’t may joke opportunities with lie detectors as there are with, for instance, windows. i’ll give it a solid 8.5/10.

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