Wedger displays profound ignorance of ‘indigenous Satanism’

…Aaaaaaaaand we’re back!

After a refreshing and enjoyable trip to the seaside, EC is back at his desk, sorting through incoming emails and catching up on the latest Hoaxtead mobster tomfoolery.

Barring Neelu’s recent eviction, probably the biggest story this month has been the re-emergence and subsequent disappearance of Bill Maloney, who along with ex-Met police officer turned troofer-mouthpiece Jon Wedger, managed to stir up a hornet’s nest with Brian Harvey…but that debacle is probably worth a post in itself.

‘Indigenous Satanism’? Seriously?

Instead, today we’re going to take a look at one of Mr Wedger’s more egregiously stupid remarks, delivered in his trademark wide-eyed-puppy style during this interview with Redpill Phil:

Wedger: The more I get involved, the more I see there is a religious organised connotation to this. The Devil’s greatest triumph is no one believes in him. We are headed towards an atheistic society, so if you don’t believe in God you ain’t going to believe in the Devil. These people, these Satanists, these Devil worshippers, they are alive and well, and they’re never going away. 

Phil: Have you ever seen it?

Wedger: I’ve…I’ve never seen it, I’ve seen the aftermath of it. I have dealt with what they call ‘indigenous Satanism’…the areas I worked in London were predominantly ghetto areas, the Jamaicans had a thing called ‘obeah’, it was a voodoo thing, and there was sexual abuse in that, the Congolese had a version of it as well….

As our friend Surreal Hustle wrote us,

What a load of ill-informed shite.

Obeah is not ‘a Voodoo thing’ nor is it Satanism.  It is a form of African folk religion that became demonised and is still regarded with terror by many Jamaicans who are either Christian or Rastafarian.  

Vodou / Vodoun (it has many spellings) is a Haitian religion that is a syncretic mix of Roman Catholicism and West African animist religions.

Wedger claims that the ‘Congolese have a version of it as well’ [indigenous Satanism].  My understanding is that most religious and ritualistic abuses relating to the Congolese community are to do with Kindoki accusations.  I know a fair amount about this as I was very close to someone in the Congolese community who had been accused of Kindoki by members of her own extended family.

It is not unusual for children and vulnerable adults to be accused of having Kindoki— which is basically a witchcraft accusation—not the modern syncretic new age religions such as Wicca, but more along the lines of accusing someone of being possessed by an evil spirit and even possibly of being a Satanist (not the James Hind kind of Satanist or the Satanic Temple kind of satanist—but the baby-munching, blood-drinking kind of Satanist you hear about in false SRA accusations).

When Wedger claims that the Congolese community has a from of ‘indigenous Satanism’, he is referring not to an actual Satanic religion but to a Congolese Satanic panic, a collective delusion that vulnerable people, mostly children, are possessed by Kindoki.  In order to “deliver” the children from Kindoki, with the encouragement of various Christian pastors, ministers and churches, children are subjected to ritualistic torture, sometimes to the point of death.

This last piece struck a chord with us, as we recall the description of the horrors meted out to the children in the Musa family, who reported having been subjected to attempts to exorcise evil spirits.

While the Musas are Nigerian, not Congolese, apparently belief in Kindoki is popular amongst Pentecostal churches in Nigeria, as well.

Bishop Gloria Musa and her husband Joseph were both given long prison sentences in 2012 for “shocking mistreatment” of their six children—and were vigorously defended by Belinda McKenzie, Sabine McNeill, and her friend Maurice Kirk, who claimed that the children had been lying about the abuse they’d suffered.

A Telegraph article at the time stated,

The Nigerian couple, who claimed their kids were possessed by evil spirits, beat them with brooms, hoovers and wires and even gave their baby a morphine overdose just days after her first birthday….

Sentencing them to seven years behind bars each Judge James Patrick described it as “shocking mistreatment” that they had tried to cover up with a “web of deception”.

Not surprisingly, in early 2012 SRA devotee Valerie Sinason and her cronies were signatories to a highly disingenuous letter in the Guardian titled “Ritual abuse and race”.

We were pleased to see your report (An abuse of faith, Social care, 18 January) outlining the evidence of the numbers of black children subjected to violence linked to witchcraft. This is extremely concerning and many of us have worked with such children and adults from the black communities who have experienced abusive aspects of juju, Santeria, witchcraft and possession in the UK. While our major religious institutions are now putting safeguarding procedures into place, children (and adults) from smaller religious groups do not have that safety. We are also concerned as individuals and as a committee that the ritual abuse of white children (and adults) is less easily acknowledged (the Kidwelly case in 2011). It can be far easier, sometimes for racist reasons, to accept the ritual abuse of black children (witness the Adam Case known as “Torso in The Thames” in 2001), and especially from working-class backgrounds. The white middle-class children (and adults) and those who work with them and support them are subject to implications that such experiences, if the victim is not black, must be bizarre delusions. This makes it harder for disclosures to be made and for the police to help, and delays the understanding of the impact of ritual on all children and adults when used abusively.

signed:
Dr V Sinason, Rachel Wingfield, Prof Joseph Schwartz, Dr Sandra Buck, Dr Joan Coleman, Carole Mallard, Wilfred Wong, Deborah Briggs, Dr Pat Frankish, David Leevers, Orit Badouk-Epstein, Lynn Greenwood
Committee on Ritual Abuse, London

This is where the SRA hoaxers get it wrong time and time again.

As SR wrote, “They claim that children need to be protected against “Satanists”, but the evil torturers that the children need protecting from are believers in SRA.  Whether it is Abraham Christie with his various torture implements or a batshit crazy Christian zealot who sees little children as being possessed by the devil / Kindoki, when it comes to Satanism, children are at most risk of sadistic abuses and torture from those who claim to have God on their side”.

We could not agree more. Jon Wedger with Redpill Phil

 

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138 thoughts on “Wedger displays profound ignorance of ‘indigenous Satanism’

  1. Perfect picture for Jon, too…….. Quite a few of us discussing him on the phone, agree that he is as gormless as he looks there. Many, including me, have been shocked to realise that it was following watching videos of the 2010 rally that Jon found Baloney and his boss (at the Met?) agreed that Bill was a hero and that they should ‘help’ him…… whatever that really means……

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    • I did wonder, when Wedger said he’d known Baloney and Gerrish for seven (and then later, he said eight) years, if the 2010 child sexual abuse rally was where he’d met them. The thought of the police believing Baloney’s nonsense is shocking, isn’t it?

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  2. This all reminds me of a confected scandal in Australia some years back when a popular tabloid TV show claimed a young New Guinea boy was to be eaten by villagers as they claimed he was posessed by Satan- can’t remember why..perhaps was an orphan.

    The clamour went on for a week as the program sent a reporter and money was raised to “buy” the boy from the villagers to send him to a new home. Alas a retired government patrol officer popped up on a rival program to say “Oh no they aren’t pulling that trick again are they?. This village rolls out this scam every couple of years for tourists and present the cutest kiddie with the biggest eyes with the same claim and usually do quite well out of it. Now run by the same kids who have grown up”.

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  3. “We are headed towards an atheistic society, so if you don’t believe in God you ain’t going to believe in the Devil. These people, these Satanists, these Devil worshippers, they are alive and well, and they’re never going away.”

    Is it just me or did he just massively contradict himself? People no longer believe in the Devil…but they’re all Devil worshipers? Or have I misunderstood?

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    • Hi Tinribs, yeah that actually made me laugh alot………….. but it’s a circular argument, with never ending possibilities given that apparantly the Devils greatest trick is to decieve us that he doesn’t exist or something along those lines……………. So no matter what someone does or doesn’t believe in, they have a way to back up their arguments for SRA because it’s all hidden in plain sight and it’s all so secret except that YouTube etc is awash with claims of it happening by people who have never seen or experienced it, like Jon Wedger and the plague of Beckis and Angies who claim that they partook or witnessed the most abominable things, though most need donations in order to keep telling their tales on the channels that encourage it all.

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      • Thanks, Sheva

        Yes, the quote is “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the World he didn’t exist”. It’s from what was my all-time favourite movie (sadly now effectively blacklisted – thanks, Kev), though I gather it was inspired by the utterances of various philosophers of old.

        PS: all suggestions and recommendations welcome for my new official favourite movie. I’m currently torn between The Blues Brothers, Total Recall, Magnoiia, Die Hard, Donnie Darko and – sod it, why not? – You Only Live Twice.

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  4. Following on from Surreal Hustle’s point: as well as not getting the difference between Obeah and Voodoo, Wedger also appears not to get the difference between Jamaica and Haïti, the latter being the one the one most closely associated with voodoo (though it originated in West Africa).

    Moreover, his view of voodoo appears to be based on popular movie myths (with an added child abuse element inexplicably thrown in for good measure). It’s actually a pretty peaceful religion. The font of all knowledge and wisdom Stephen Fry explains this far more eloquently than I could:

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  5. Oh for Cliff’s sake, are these pricks putting my name to their idiotic verbal rampages again? Annoying little twats. Now where did I put that thunderbolt?

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  6. Classic dot-joining – Angie and possibly her last remaining Facebook friend reckon RD and Gerry McCann look alike (which means they’re both evil, right?):

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    • Neelu clearly entered into an interest only mortgage knowing full well she would need to pay a certain sum at the end of the deal and didn’t cater for it even though over the years, it’s quite reasonable seeing her house hads increased in value a 100 times over.
      By law all mortgage issuers are compelled to explain the intricacies of that mortgage and the client sign a confirmation they have.

      Despite many people having fallen foul of this arrangement ( I pity many people when circumstances out of their control see them evicted eventually) these interest only mortgages were a favourite of property developers and I have one pal who has profited hugely by using them- buying small houses in the outer London suburbs, renting them out and selling 10 years later at a good profit. Mind you he eventually went bankrupt after investing in the same way in a huge office block just as a credit crisis hit and he couldn’t service the debt.

      I’m not convinced Neelu is not a small time property developer. I reckon she has other property bought in sinmilar circumstances and the way in which her family, despite the drama meekly sailed off into the sunset (her son etc). She claims her welfare has been cut off but seems to be able to stump up the cash when forced to (as in the £20K fine when needed). I wouldn’t be surprised if Neelu & family have been gaming the sytem for decades but due to her mental state it’s now out of control
      Same goes the dreadful APD who obviously bought her Irish house at a knock down price and now attacks her new neighbours because the council had the temerity to bring their house up to a liveable standard. These are the creeps who give Socialism & welfare a bad name.

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      • GoS I agree, I believe Neelu was too calm when she was being evicted. She of course knew this was coming & was well prepared I would think with alternative accommodation. Edward Ellis disappeared fairy quickly too from the premises but pops back with his histronics as usual, I have to wonder if Neelu is paying him for his rubbish ‘legal advice’.

        I also think she is more sane than how she presents herself. On one of her lives, there was someone knocking at her door & she hurriedly cut off her live so that whoever was at her door wouldn’t see what she was doing. If she believed in a fraction of what she says, she wouldn’t have cut of the live, but carried on, perhaps it was a family member or friend who came & she knew they would tell her off for her outrageous lies & lives again.

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  7. Satanism is that convenient bucket to lump every religion, idea and deed into that is contrary to the ignorant worldview of fools such as Wedger.

    Voodoo is a different religion to Satanism, and the witch hunting that goes on in indigenous cultures is encouraged by the same ignorance that thinks murder of albinos for their body parts are useful for making magic potions.

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  8. Hi welcome back from your break great article. Jon wedger seems to be getting more and more ludicrous with all his accusations of the devil. maybe someone cast some obeah on him😂😂

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    • 🙂

      The below video is interesting – the narrator bemoans the fact that “Obeah mans” are no longer underground but advertise on the internet and, he claims, are consulted by various Jamaican dancehall artists, a certain Mr Williams being the go-to obeah man for various successful artists, apparently.

      My impression (although I am far from an expert), is that the tidal wave of new age grifters and online psychics have been joined by various self proclaimed obeah practitioners all after easy $$$$

      Youtube has many Jamaican videos speculating that this or that dancehall artist has consulted an obeah man, they seem quite similar to the various conspiracy themed videos claiming that Beyonce, Jay-Z and other successful artists are members of the illuminati.

      The bit about monkeys made me LOL as much as Neelu’s latest video fail. I felt soiled and dirty both times.
      😦

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      • An extremely sad story about an acclaimed Jamaican dancehall queen Shanique Taylor who died a horrific death as a young woman of an auto-immune condition soon after winning the 2005 dancehall contest.

        https://archive.fo/iU35#selection-903.23-903.38

        Many people in her family and community refused to believe the doctors and maintained a belief that she died as a result of an envious competitor consulting an obeah man and using poison or sorcery against her.

        Whether it is Hampstead or Jamaica it seems that, under certain conditions, some people tend to disbelieve evidence and believe in the fantastical.

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  9. “…who claimed that the children had been lying about the abuse they’d suffered.”

    Children never lie about being abused….

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  10. Welcome back EC!

    I hope you had a lovely holiday and a very good rest.

    Really nice piece on Wedger’s idiocy, just a couple of thoughts I would like to add, especially after viewing the QI clip.

    Voodoo has certain similarities with Shamanism inasmuch as they are both religious whose followers and practitioners have suffered waves of appalling persecution over the years.

    Stalin had many shamans thrown to their deaths from helicopters, all as part of a cultural and actual genocide of the indigenous Siberian peoples. What remains in Russia these days are vast networks of criminals, mostly ethnic Russians, extorting eye watering amounts of cash and assets from naive Russians and foreigners alike, all using a theatrical, pretend form of “shamanism”. The fake shamans flow out of Russia and around three world collecting assets and intelligence (much of it in the form of “compromat”). The idealistic victims flow into Russia, usually to the Altai mountain region, take part in “shamanic ceremonies” (often involving sexually transgressive acts that, when recorded, become “compromat”) and return to their country or origin as profoundly changed people.

    Following the 2010 earthquake 45 voodoo priests and practitioners were lynched by angry mobs who blamed them for a cholera outbreak.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/12/24/haiti.cholera.killings/index.html?hpt=Sbin%20Officials:%2045%20people%20lynched%20in%20Haiti%20amid%20cholera%20fears

    This was just one in a long history of attacks on voodoo practitioners by angry mobs who blamed them for various ill fortunes, another example is this one
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1986-05-21/news/0220300090_1_voodoo-religion-haiti-duvalier

    So one thing that voodoo and shamanism have in common is persecution of practitioners and followers. Another thing that have in common is that while both religions are focussed on ancestral spirits and deities, both religions have been appropriated by conmen and women and now flourish both inside and outside their countries of origin not as true religions, but as networks of grifters, plastic shamans and criminals.

    Fake shamanism in particular has infected and infiltrated mental health services in the UK and worldwide. Stripped from its original cultural and ethnic roots, it is a theatrical empty practice used exclusively by grifters and vulnerable (sometimes mentally ill, sometimes simply naive and deluded by a lifetime of privilege) people recruited by grifters. It spreads by social contagion like some kind of hideous disease. The wealthy and privileged are shockingly easily scammed by these fake shamans and are targeted by them relentlessly, as are the mentally ill (see “he who shall not be named” – a practitioner of fake shamanism see also Penny Pullen who believes herself to have “been Native American in a past life”, a common delusion amongst practitioners of fake shamanism.

    In an earlier post Sheva described an experience with a dodgy fake Shaman called Bill, and Bill is just one of many. The “core shamanism” of Michael Harner is fake and a refuge for grifters and scammers. Many lineages of psychotherapy have been infected with “core shamanism”, to name but a few psychosynthesis, Jungian psychotherapies (analytical psychology), the various “body psychotherapies” plus a whole of of others.

    There are also fake voodoo practitioners here. More on them later.

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    • This was just one in a long history of attacks on voodoo practitioners by angry mobs who blamed them for various ill fortunes, another example is this one

      IIRC, the Tonton Macoute secret police during the Duvalier dictatorship claimed to have Voodou affiliations and powers (as part of their general policy of internal terrorism), so there is probably still a lingering tradition of vengeful resentment.

      Stripped from its original cultural and ethnic roots, it is a theatrical empty practice used exclusively by grifters

      Isn’t it always the same with capitalists? First, steal all the material possessions of the people whose land you have grabbed. When they are no longer a threat, steal their culture as well and claim to be their spiritual descendants.

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      • Absolutely Smut Clyde

        The MO seems to be steal, oppress, ethnically cleanse, then culturally appropriate.

        The Tonton Macoute were said to control their own deeply terrifying voodoo sects although it is hard to separate truth from rumour. According to Zora Neale Hurston’s Book “Tell My Horse” (Hurston’s 1st person accounts have been disputed by some scholars) there was a sect within a sect (IMMIC called the “Secte Rouge”) lead by Macoute Bokors who practised cannibalism. Whatever the reality the Macoute were vicious, terrifying and responsible for countless tortures, disappearances and murders of innocent people. It could reasonably be claimed that the rumours regarding the Macoute’s involvement in human sacrifice and cannibalism were part of a satanic panic inasmuch as the rumours effectively controlled entire communities. Sheer terror prevented ordinary citizens from leaving their homes at night.

        On a tangent, re the fake shamanism issue I noticed with interest a short film published today on the BBC website titled:

        How reiki helps me cope with recurrent miscarriage

        https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-44807412/how-reiki-helps-me-cope-with-recurrent-miscarriage

        In the video a young woman called Nadine talks movingly about suffering repeated miscarriages and is shown being treated by a Reiki practitioner who uses a syncretic mix of crystals (environmentally destructive), elements of appropriated indigenous ceremonies (smudging with sage -something Native American tribes feel is deeply offensive outside of their own ceremonies) and symbols appropriated from a mishmash of spiritual traditions (statues of the Buddha, Tibetan singing bowls, Shinto?). In one especially ridiculous cutaway Nadine and her sisters are shown in front of a table displaying an array of crystals and a crystal “tree” while one of them waves a smouldering sage bundle over the crystals, as if such an act had some kind of spiritual meaning, which it does not. Sacred items such as sage bundles, removed from their original cultural context, have no power at all other then the power to offend the cultures from which they were stolen.

        I feel very sorry for Nadine and I can easily understand how a vulnerable person with limited treatments available via conventional medicine can start believing in quacks and charlatans.

        I can also understand how the “treatments” leave her feeling better. Anyone giving someone gentle, attentive care will always help a person to feel less stressed. Anyone offering them hope will help a person to feel happier, but this is hardly the point.

        I am at a loss to understand how the BBC, in these days when fake news is such a serious and sensitive issue, can publish a film that is entirely uncritical of quackery and charlatanry.

        When the page first loaded a little message appeared at the bottom of the screen with a link titled
        “Why you can trust BBC News”

        Sort it out BBC and get your house in order.

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    • Indeed Russians have always been religious but very supersticious as well. I recall my Grandmother once going off in Russian at some alleged slight (love the sound of the language though) so I asked my mother what she was saying & she replied “she’s cursing the milkman and putting a hex on him for bringing the wrong thing”. When I asked her if such curses worked she replied “no idea but best to play safe and not to push it”.
      Since the collapse of the USSR they ahve returned to religion but the New Age has hit them as well. Perfect for charlatans.

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  11. Oh Gawd – Nathan Stolpman chatting with Fiona Barnett. Finally I have my definitive answer to the age-old question of who are the two people I’d least like to be stuck in a lift with.

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    • His fans are hyperventilating with excitement and don’t seem to realise he has to appear in court again, did not have the first case dismissed with the second only really having the process criticised but as he has already pleaded guilty it’s really just a matter of course to be convicted again. Not only that the appeal judges said when considering the sentence it may in fact be longer. Who knows but his fanbase seem completley ignorant to what the law actually is. SAD.

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    • Okay, let’s sidetrack into a bit of Greek mythology here. Lyda is a variant spelling of Leda. Leda was Helen of Troy’s mother. Leda was seduced by Zeus in the guise of a swan. So when it comes to who is the actual deviant here, we can only conclude that “I love Lyda” is into bestiality. Disgusting.Begone foul fiend!

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    • Not that she’s in Terri Stewart’s league, of course. This is her latest academic masterpiece from the same page:

      (That first bit is a reference to Ella’s polygraph test, btw.)

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      • It is easily explained of course. The little girl wanted them to find something as she was worried she would be caught out in the lie. The fact that they found nothing doesn’t deter the wilfully ignorant though…
        I feel that no matter what is said or done, even if at some future date the whole family (including Draper) were to come online and denounce the hoax, the slurs and attacks would continue. Ella has a lot to answer for.

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