‘No child could know that much’: False perception and the Hampstead hoax

Since the inception of the Hampstead SRA hoax, one of the refrains most often heard from the true believers is, “But those children know so much, so many details about sex! How is it possible for children that age to know that much, unless they’ve experienced it themselves?”

Many newcomers have taken the Hoaxtead mob at their word and accepted that the children were forced to learn and then parrot on video a slew of information about bizarre sexual practices…but a close examination of the videos Abe and Ella made en route from Morocco tell a very different story.

Please note: the following may be disturbing to anyone who has experienced sexual abuse. Please proceed with caution.

We have gone through the transcripts of the Morocco/UK videos, and have extracted every statement the children made which had to do with sex. We’ve sorted the children’s statements by video, and have included every mention of sex we could find.

Our findings might surprise you: with a very few exceptions, the children are exceptionally vague about the details, though they do use the word “sex” a lot.

1. Naming children & social services

Child P: This cult is, because when we, the first time, whenever we did done it.
Abraham: Did what?
Child P: First ever, we saw Papa kill a baby, and me and Q done and when they done sex to me and Q…when we first….
Abraham: Who did sex to you?

This is followed by questions about who is in the alleged cult, and P’s assertion that RD is the “boss” of it. Then:

Abraham: And what’s the, and what do they do, this cult?
Child P: They do sex, uh, they do babies….
Abraham: Sex to who?
P: Sex to children. They do it to each other.
Abraham: And what are the babies for? Where do you get the babies?

The rest of this video is taken up with discussion of how babies are obtained from social services.

2. Supply of babies

Abraham:  What do they do with these babies?

Child P: They eat it.  Do sex…first….
Abraham: Why do they eat the baby?

P: They.…
Abraham: Is the baby alive?

P: No, they inject it to make it go to sleep and.…
Abraham: And then?

P: And then after, papa tells us to hold the knife and then he puts his big hand on, he pushes it into the neck, cuts it and after, when it’s upside down, so he goes like that!

Abraham: How do get the baby so it’s upside down?

P: So you get a string, hang it up, and it’s upside down when it’s asleep. Well.…

Abraham: {inaudible]

P: Yes.

This is followed by a description of a nurse giving a baby an injection.

3. Sweets, schools

Ella: Who most hurt….what do they do to children
?
Child Q: They hurt them. They do sex to them. Then they pay sweeties for them.

Ella: What do you mean?  What did they do to you?

Abraham: Sweeties.…

Q: They pay sweeties, for sex, and bumper bags of sweets. And we have Mentos, we have Snickers, we have Mars. We have…M & Ms
.
Abraham: How did they know which ones were…don’t look at me, look at the camera….how did they know which ones are your favourite sweets?
Q: They know how…do you know how they know our favourite sweeties?  They…my sister’s P she is in Year 4 and…errrm…there’s a man, a teacher of her, called [Xxxxxxxx], and they were learning about sweets and then P talks to [Xxxxxxx], her best friend, and then…errrm…she speaks to…errrrm…she speaks to all her friends and then, all her best friends, about her favourite sweeties and then [Xxxxxxxx]…errm…goes near them and peeks what they love. Which sweet they like, and they, say my favourite sweet is…Mars…and my favourite chocolate is Oreo chocolate and then they…and then [Xxxxxxxx] hears and then the other classes start to talk about their chocolate and their favourite sweets because they were learning about sweets and chocolate. So other, so other classes start to talk about sweets…they were saying they were really lucky and…errrmmmm…. 


Q seems much more interested in the sweets than he does in describing sex acts.

The remainder of this video involves naming other schools allegedly involved in the “cult”.

4. Papa kills babies

Child Q: We decided to stop touching other children…


Child P and Child Q: …stop touching each other…


Q: …and stop touching ourselves.


P: …and face our urge.


Abraham: What else are you going to stop doing?


P & Q: We’re going to stop touching ourselves.


Abraham: What else are you going to stop?


Q: We’re going to stop killing babies.


P: Stop killing babies. And we’re going to face our fear and face our urge.


Abraham: You’re going to face your fear, because fear is what?


P: Fear is the mind killer.

This is followed by a list of people they are going to “catch”. Then…

Abraham: What did they do to you?


Child P: They do sex. They touch each other. They touch me and…
Child Q. They have plastic willies.

 And they stick it in our bottom.


Abraham: Who does? Who sticks it in your bottom?


Q: The social services. Everybody does.

Again, this is followed by a list of alleged cult members.

5. Starbucks, Pizza Express

Child Q: We also have a church, a big church, and we use it for sex, eating babies, drinking baby’s blood. We kill…sacrifice the baby. We do sex to the babies. We throw…when we are dancing with the skulls when the babies are dead.

Abraham: What skulls?  What skulls?

This is followed by discussion of how they kill babies, and then a list of various local restaurants and swimming pools where abuse is alleged to have happen.

6. Social services and Cafcass

Ella: Wait, wait, wait. Slowly, don’t rush.

Child Q: And Xxxxxx, Social Service, he sticks a plastic willy right up my bottom. I can feel it on my belly.

Abraham: Who does this?


This is followed by discussion of who the alleged cult members are, how they know RD. Then…

Child Q: And they do sex to me in a building. Well, like a big office, and they asked me all kinds of personal questions. They asked me does your mum feed you well? And we say yes, and yes and yes. Everything yes.
Ella: They asked  you many times, didn’t they?

Q: Yes. To make me say  yes and no. They….

Abraham: They want you to say no, that your mother doesn’t feed you well.

Once again, this is followed by more discussion of who was supposedly involved and how RD might have known them.

7. Sex on Wednesdays

Abraham: Can you tell me what happens on a Wednesday please.

Child Q: Wednesday is the most busiest day of sex. And today it’s Wednesday and if I was right now on Wednesday in school, they would have done lots and lots of sex to me. And it, errm, and Wednesday is the most sex day and it’s the most busiest day.  And do…we do sex
.
Abraham: What else happens on a Wednesday?

Q: We do lots and lots of sex. They give out  lots of sweets. Really much of sweets and this is also the day when they give us, when they give us lots of sweets and money too.

Abraham: They give you money?

Q: Yeah. They have special days of money.

Abraham: Right.

Q: On Wednesday, it’s the day of money and they [inaudible] sex cause it’s the most busiest day.

This is followed by a claim that he is abused by 100 people each Wednesday.

Abraham: How do they do sex to you?  How do they abuse you?

Q: They stick their willies in my bottom. They touch my privates, sexually. They kick my privates. They…errrm…rub until the white stuff comes out.

Abraham: They rub your penis, they rub your willy, yeah?

Q: Yeah. Yes, until the white stuff comes out.

Abraham: Yeah, yeah.  Who does that?

There is a brief discussion of who does this and where it takes place.

Important note: Child Q at this time was eight years of age. It is physically impossible for a child who is pre-pubertal to ejaculate. Ejaculation only begins once the testes have matured, usually at around 12 years of age.

8. Distinguishing marks

Abraham: Okay. And what of these does she … [inaudible].

Child Q: She sticks a willy on my bottom. She touches my privates. She kicks my privates. She rubs until the white things come out. She rubs it really nice. She flicks it. Flicks it really hard and she also, like, do that.

Abraham: What does she do?

Q: Errm … she like pushes it.


A brief note here: whereas in the previous video Child Q referred to “white stuff”, he is now saying “white things”. Clearly he doesn’t really understand what ejaculate actually is. Later, in one of his police interviews, he will assert that he ejaculated approximately half a litre at one time, a physical impossibility even for a grown man.

Abraham: Who does that?  Xxxxxxxxxxx?
Q: Yes.  But really, really hard.

Abraham: And what willy does she stick in…she’s a lady. She doesn’t have a willy, does she?

Q: Yes, she does. A plastic willy.

Abraham: Oh, she has a plastic willy.

Q: Yes.

Abraham: And how does she attach it to herself?

Q: With a like, rubber band.

Abraham: Okay.
Q: Like a, like a trousers band.

A: Okay. Oh, right, like a belt?

Q: And then, and then, they like.  Do you know the shoes like this?  Sssh ssssh…

A: Oh!  Velcro?

Q: Yes. It’s like this … sssh ssshhh

Abraham: Like a Velcro belt. Well done. Anyone else  you can think of you would like to tell us about? Who have distinguishing marks?


There is further discussion of who is in the alleged cult and what marks they have. Then:

Abraham: How big is this wart?  I’ve heard you mention it before.

Child Q: It’s as big as a five pence piece because I measured it.

Abraham: You measured it?

Q: Yes.

Abraham: How did you get to measure it?

Q: When, errm, she told me to .. when I asked her to measure it after the sex.

Abraham: After what sex?

Q: After sticking a willy in my bottom.  And also after…licking.
Abraham: Who stuck a willy up your bottom…after the licking!

Q: Too, yeah.

Abraham: Licking what?  What were you licking?

Q: The privates. The middles.

Abraham: Whose privates were you licking?

Q: Xxxxxxxx. I asked can I measure it and I measured it.

Abraham: And committed sex acts upon you as well.

Q: Yeah.
Abraham: What sex acts did she commit.

Q: She’d stick a willy in my bottom and also sometimes people, errm, stick, errm, balls too, of the willy in my bottom and then when they take it out it  bleeds more than when they stick a willy in. It bleeds more.

Abraham: OK. Thank you very much.  OK.

Does is strike anyone else as utterly absurd that a sexual abuser would, once they had finished their vile deeds, permit their victim to measure the diameter of their wart?

And that’s it, really

When people ooh and aah over the “amazing amount of detail” in the children’s descriptions in the videos made en route from Morocco, this is what they are referring to:

1. They “do sex”.
2. They touch each other.
3. They have plastic willies stuck in their bottoms; they also stick balls in. (This causes their bottoms to bleed, though for some reason Ella never seemed to notice bloodstains on their underpants.)
4. When they have plastic willies up their bottoms, Child Q says “I can feel it on my belly”. In fact, abdominal cramping and diarhoea are sometimes experienced after anal sex. “Feel(ing) it on” one’s belly is an odd way to describe these rather painful effects.
5. They “touch privates sexually”.
6. They kick privates.
7. They rub Child Q’s penis until white stuff or white things come out (physically impossible).
8. They force the children to lick their privates.

And that’s it.

When Hoaxtead believers claim they cannot believe that children that age would know this much about sex, this is what they are talking about.

In fact, when one listens to the videos, the vast majority of the time is spent attempting to stitch up RD and the people of Hampstead, than actually discussing sex acts. We should note that we aren’t including the descriptions of sex included in the police interview videos, but they are essentially similar.

The fact that the children are made to recite a very limited roster of “sex acts” doesn’t make the material any the less disturbing: forcing children of that age to memorise and repeat this sort of material is, we believe, a form of sexual abuse in itself. But when people say they “can’t believe” kids could be trained to memorise all that, we can now confidently call bullshit.

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This article was first published on 7 June 2017.