Kristie Sue tries to shill for Abe and Ella, fails miserably

…And we’re back! Without going into the gory details, Mr Coyote would like to say that he deeply regrets having eaten that dodgy sandwich on Sunday, and will give street-meat vendors a wide berth from now on. ‘Nuff said. But many thanks for all your good wishes…they were much appreciated.

Right, where were we when we were so rudely interrupted?

Oh yes. Glancing through yesterday’s comments, we note that Kristie Sue seems to be back at it, flogging away at the corpse of the Hampstead SRA hoax for all she’s worth.

She’s been posting on her “Believe the Children (But Only When They Say What You Want Them To)” Facebook page, claiming among other things that Abraham Christie did too know that he was being recorded by his brother-in-law Jean-Clement Yaohirou on 4 September 2014, the night he and Ella arrived in London with the children:

Yawn.

All right, Kristie Sue, let’s go through this point by point. We’re sure that if we spell this out for you in words of one syllable or less, eventually you’ll be able to wrap your tiny little pea-brain around it.

First: whether the recording was done secretly or not really makes no difference at all.

If Abe did know that Jean-Clement was recording, it’s only further proof that Abe is mad as a box of frogs. He incriminates himself over and over, in front of a witness—who, by the way, is not a police constable with the MET, but a “special constable”, a distinction we’ve explained many times.

And Ella herself states at the beginning of her “witness statement” (the one where she reads from a sheet of paper, wearing a blue track suit and looking zombified) that “this case was never intended to go before the CPS”. For the Americans in our audience, she’s saying, “This was never intended to go to the police”.

So claiming that Abe and Ella wanted to report this thing to the police is either disingenuous (insincere, dishonest, untruthful, pretending not to know the truth) or just plain stupid. Take your pick.

As for Kristie Sue’s fulminations about the Jean-Clement video…we’ve said it before, but let’s try again:

The Jean-Clement video is a smoking gun…for our side.

In this video, even more than the others, Abe blatantly coaches and bullies the children, most memorably and chillingly when he leads them in a chant:

Abraham: Tell me how they say it.
Child P & Q: They say: Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill! Like cheers.
Abraham: Say it. Say it how they say it.
Child P & Q: Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill!
Child P: Like that. But then after, when it’s my turn to kill the baby, the others and Xxxxxx say Kill.
Abraham: And when it’s his turn to say it, you say it.
Child P: Yes.
Abraham: What’s the word that you say?
Child P: Kill.
Abraham: Say it more for me, I want to hear it.
Child P: Kill, kill, kill, kill.
Abraham: I like the sound of it. Can you say it together? Say it together? Let’s all say it together.
Abraham & Child P & Q: Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill!

But that’s not all. There are multiple instances in the Jean-Clement recording of Abe snapping at the children to be quiet, and telling them when to speak. He treats them like his own personal trained seals, and corrects them when they slip up:

Abraham: So, uh, tell him what you said: You deserve to be locked up for killing the babies. Listen, did you kill any babies?
Child P: No.
Abraham: Who killed the babies?
Child P: Papa. Papa hold our hand.
Jean-Clement: Hold your hands?
Abraham: Yeah.
Child P: We put on our hand, but –
Jean-Clement: Yeah.
Abraham: He makes you put your – No, he puts your hand on.

Ella has admitted they made the children lie.

Ella recently stated to one of her sycophantic interviewers (Nathan Stolpman of Lift the Veil) that she had misspoken when she said that her ex-husband Mr Draper (and her son by him) were involved in the cult.

And yet, early in the Jean-Clement recording, we hear Abe asserting that Mr Draper was indeed in the cult:

Abraham: All three children are involved in the cult now. From two different men, who are cult members. She came to me, because she knew I didn’t, I wasn’t a weird guy. She knew there was something, I was clean. And she knew, in her heart, that I could help her. She didn’t know how. I didn’t know how. … Her first husband, he sent the second man to her. Some of her friends that come to the house …
Jean-Clement: Uh-huh.

This is clear-cut evidence that Abe was making shit up: he directly contradicts what Ella has now admitted, and weaves it into his bizarre story. There are multiple instances of the children stating on videos that their older brother was “in the cult”, which again directly contradicts what Ella is now stating. Clearly she either forgot that she and Abe had forced the children to incriminate their older brother, or she thought that no one would notice the massive glaring discrepancy. Either way, if there was ever any doubt that the children were being forced to recite material that they had not actually experienced, Ella’s retraction has swept it away.

What happened to the Jean-Clement recordings?

Kristie Sue tries the old argument that “Metropolitan police showed up at [Jean-Clement’s] home 8am the next day (Sept 5, 2014) and confiscated the recordings then concealed them in a police storage facility in Chingford, an hours’ drive from London, the furthest reaches of the Met police”.

As usual, she is twisting the facts in an attempt to cover for Abe and Ella. (Also, while Chingford is a bit of a hike from Barnet, it’s not exactly at the other end of the country.)

Here’s what really happened, according to Jean-Clement himself. He made these statements during the fact-finding hearings in February 2015:

J-C: So, so when they left it was probably around one o’clock [a.m.], so I sat there and I wanted to review, to listen to the recording and write down so that I can refer it. But having listened to the children and heard the graphical description of what is alleged to have happened to them…
Q: Yes
J-C: I decided to call Scotland Yard
Q: Right.
J-C: And I reported it. I requested for a specialist unit that deal in child abuse and they asked me the question as to [inaudible][the question?] on the phone, and ask me the question as to why I could not call my unit, in this case Haringey Constabulary, and I said why, because the allegation also refer to police officer within Haringey who have taken part in abuse of the children and that’s why I couldn’t refer it to them.
Q: Right.
J-C: So they say okay and they contacted my local unit in this case Waltham Forest police and Waltham Forest police came around, came to the house around eight o’clock in the morning. They came around the house, at the house, at number _____________ Road around eight o’clock in the morning and it was two police officers with a sergeant. They listened to the recording and they decided to take the phone and progress the matter.
Q: Yes. And then?
J-C: And from that point on that was the, it became a police matter.

Because the phone was taken by members of the Waltham Forest Constabulary, it was taken to the evidence storage facility for that borough…which happens to be at Chingford. There is nothing at all nefarious about this choice. The officers were following correct protocol.

As it happened, Barnet police were notified about the case on the evening of 5 September 2014, a Friday. By that time it was too late to visit the storage facility in Chingford; and in any case, a video recording of the children would have been far less useful to the police as evidence than their own ABE interviews. They conducted the first of those interviews on Friday, 5 September—the evening they first received the report.

What if Barnet police had listened the Yaohirou recording right away?

In fact, it’s a shame that the Yaohirou audio was not immediately assessed by Barnet police at the time when they were first alerted to Abe and Ella’s outlandish claims, and were investigating whether they were true, whether the children had been abused, and if so, who was responsible for that.

As Mrs Justice Pauffley intimated in her judgement, “the police and social services inquiry could have taken an entirely different course if attention had been given to those recordings” as part of the criminal investigation. She makes it as clear as she can that she felt that had the Yaohirou video been considered by Barnet police, charges would most likely have been laid against Abe and Ella.

It is indeed unfortunate that this didn’t happen, as it would have spared many people a great deal of pain, and would have “progressed the matter” in a far more appropriate way.

And finally, what about that whole ‘cover-up’ thing?

Regular readers will be aware that we recently did a thorough debunking of the idea that there was ever any sort of police cover-up of the Hampstead SRA hoax.

Here are the basics:

  1. According to Abe and Ella’s accepted doctrine, the videos were released as a last resort, after the police had taken the children and closed the investigation.
  2. However, there is very clear-cut evidence that Abe and Ella were attempting to hawk the children’s story round to Brian Gerrish and Bill Maloney (who coincidentally are both friends with Belinda) while the case was in progress.
  3. Brian Gerrish sent Finn Hagan round on 8 September to scout out the case, so he had clearly been informed of it very early on.
  4. The “laundry list” of allegations which Abe and Ella sent to Gerrish on 11 September bore no introduction, no explanatory preface—it was just a list of allegations. Clearly, by the time that email was sent, there was no need to explain what it was about.
  5. Abe’s utter incoherent rage that Gerrish had not responded as he hoped, but had sent the email on until it finally made its way to the police who were investigating the hoax, makes it very clear that he had been given reason to expect that Gerrish and/or Maloney would pick up the hoax and help publicise it.
  6. The case collapsed nearly a week later, on 17 September, when the children retracted their statements. So Abe and Ella were shopping the hoax round to the highest bidders long before the investigation was closed.

So no, Kristie Sue. There was never any cover-up. There was never any “satanic ritual abuse”. It was all a gigantic and unbelievably stupid fraud, perpetrated by a small group of people, using two innocent children as bait to attract the attention of disgusting people such as yourself.

Any further questions?

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26 thoughts on “Kristie Sue tries to shill for Abe and Ella, fails miserably

  1. Glad to see you back on all four paws- now leave the roadkill alone in future OK???
    (street vendor meat sandwiches- I think roadkill would actually be safer to eat LOL)

    A concise and very damning summation of the facts (damn us and our education)
    (for kristy- good words about bad liars abe and ella)

    I dont know why she is in such a tizzy about the storage of the tapes ie
    “Metropolitan police showed up at [Jean-Clement’s] home 8am the next day (Sept 5, 2014) and confiscated the recordings then concealed them in a police storage facility in Chingford, an hours’ drive from London, the furthest reaches of the Met police”

    Makes it sound like they chose the furthest reaches of the UK to `hide’ the tapes
    so not being aware of the exact distances I went to google and found this useful little site

    https://www.distance.to

    plug in names and it shows distances and estimated driving times (and as usual, shows a slightly different story- an hours drive???really??? hint kristy, there are more gears when driving than first….)
    Distance Chingford → London
    Air line: 9.74 mi (15.67 km) Driving route: 14.92 mi (24.01 km) (0h 32min)
    Distance Waltham Fore… → London
    Air line: 6.09 mi (9.80 km) Driving route: 10.07 mi (16.20 km) (0h 25min)
    Distance Barnet → London
    Air line: 11.02 mi (17.73 km)Driving route: 15.61 mi (25.12 km) (0h 33min)
    Distance Hampstead Uk → London
    Air line: 4.36 mi (7.01 km)Driving route: 5.51 mi (8.87 km) (0h 16min)

    Distance Hampstead Uk → Chingford
    Air line: 8.50 mi (13.68 km)Driving route: 12.71 mi (20.46 km) (0h 25min)

    Unsurprisingly her `hours drive from London’ (why pick London anyway?) isnt either exactly `the troof’ nor an accurate description as nearly ALL the suburbs involved are about the same distance from London!!!
    And rather than being hidden away aka hitchikers guide to the galaxy, were actually only a slightly longer distance than I walk each afternoon to keep fit (lost almost 20kg so far, another 15 takes me to my ideal weight- I take a 2 hr evening walk that is almost exactly 10km in total length)

    “But the plans were on display…”
    “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
    “That’s the display department.”
    “With a flashlight.”
    “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
    “So had the stairs.”
    “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
    “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

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  2. This topsy turvy world Of Kristie Sue’s is yet another example of how this vicious mob turn black into white.

    And another nasty example pops up today which should shame Sabine, Belinda, Angela Power Disney and every one of these vile hoaxers.

    One of their favourite “heroes” in their incessant crusades is one Christopher Booker, a tabloid hack whose reputation among fellow writers is one of crackpot suspicion as he seems to seize upon the most outlandish cases such as the Belender / Sabine promoted Musas who tortured their children and who even as Booker was denouncing social services for saving said children from further abuse, were being handed 7 year jail sentences for their brutality.

    He also seized upon the tax case of the hapless Patrick Cullinane who through his own arrogance and inability to conduct his financial affairs was eventually bankrupted by the tax department. Booker tried to infer Cullinane had been unfairly targeted.

    The Hoaxers have been quick to seize upon the dreadful Grenfell fire for various reasons, some even claiming it was all part of some false flag plot.
    But were they aware of Booker’s indirect influence in ensuring fire safety precautions were minimized in such a way they led directly to this terrible fire as George Monbiot explains in this article?

    Again this is another example of how this mob while claiming the high moral ground actively work against the interests of children either through a perverted sense of morality or simply just to make money out of misfortune.
    # Welcome back EC.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/grenfell-fire-public-inquiry-stitch-up-red-tape-regulation-policy-exchange
    “The Grenfell inquiry will be a stitch-up. Here’s why “

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    • Oh God, Booker…! He’s something else again, isn’t he? Good pals with Sabine and Belinda, who frequently quote him adoringly. Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that his malign influence had something to do with Grenfell.

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      • Monbiot is a regular critic of Booker’s but it cannot be said he isn’t being factual when he points out Booker’s furphies and mistakes. Sadly it shows that there are crackpots in every strata of society.

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  3. Kristy Sue you dumbass don’t you realise how damning that Jean Clement tape is to Abe? By pointing people to it all the time you are just showing what a creepy little bully Abe is, you’re doing a fine job exposing that little nonce Kris.

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  4. Hey Kris Costa, you hairy faced wart on a baboons bum. Thanks for helping our side by making Abraham Christie and Ella Draper even more retarded and discredited. Keep up the good work. You make things so easy for us to discredit this hoax.

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    • Allegedly & without prejudice, she was in to see the community welfare officer last week, perhaps she needed money for her phone bill. I wonder if she declared the last donation on her gofundme page.

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      • Oh, interesting! No doubt the good people of Oldcastle will be pleased should she decide to return to Lanzarote, though if she’s that low on cash it could be some time before she leaves.

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        • Aye, who wants a snake who babbles incessantly about herself, makes no sense whatsoever, continues to hurt her local community with unfounded allegations on her FB page & shows the name & address of a young mother online, obviously not caring for the safety of this young mother & her children. She is a woman who arrived here who thought she would have control of a community but instead people steered clear of her for various reasons, not least because she believes herself to be superior to others. Because of her allegedly do good intentions, the other people involved are now looked at with suspicion also, so she has blackened their names. I notice she did not get many, if any birthday wishes locally this year. Sorry if I have any typos.

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  5. A good sectioning takes 3 days for Eval., ask KSC’s “soursez”, they know all about THAT, ask them Stupid! lol Ask them about the loaded gun they brought into an E.R…..hahahahaha Dumb Ass!

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