Things have been strangely silent on the Hoaxtead front since Friday’s court decision to go ahead with proceedings against Sabine and Neelu for witness intimidation.
In general, whenever a court decision has been reached in this case, there’s been a corresponding uptick in noise from the Hoaxtead pushers: Facebook posts, videos, blog posts, you name it.
This time? Silence.
Even Angela Fag-Ash Disney has been uncharacteristically subdued (not silent—that would be too much to ask); oddly, she doesn’t seem to have an opinion on Friday’s outcome. Perhaps she’s working out how to get her ‘stolen’ passport back in time to attend the trial on 11 July.
Or perhaps, as McKenzies Devils suggest, her mind is focussed in a rather different direction:
This video raises some interesting questions about Angela’s, Jake’s, and Rupert’s eerie silence now, and their actions prior to Friday.
In particular, we wonder about Angela’s decision to release two videos featuring Sabine…on the eve of Sabine’s plea and case management hearing. This question is further complicated by the fact that the videos were almost certainly cobbled together from bits and pieces of previous phone calls.
The breaks in continuity are audible to the naked ear, but become even more obvious when the audio is examined via analysis software:
The question is, why did Angela do this? What possible advantage could there be to the Hoaxtead cause in putting out a badly stitched-together audio in which Sabine appears to collude in making threats against RD, and speculates on her legal case?
We’ve discussed the possibility that Angela might have been throwing her erstwhile friend under the bus in an attempt to divert attention from her own dodgy activities, but that would hardly justify going to the trouble of deliberately making Sabine sound bad. (Okay, even worse than usual.)
It’s all too easy to speculate on possible reasons: could Angie have her eye on a position as Belinda’s Number Two? Does she think that by creating this video, she’ll exert some negative influence on Sabine’s court case? Is she trying to create an excuse to back out of Hoaxtead gracefully?
Or was she just hard up for something to publish, and decided, “Hey, what the heck, I’ve got all these boring Skype convos with Sabine lying about, why not have some fun and stitch them together into a video? I’m sure people won’t mind staring at an out of focus picture on a wall for half an hour. And Sabine won’t mind, right?”
Who knows? But we’re sure it’ll all become clear in time.
After all, if there’s one thing we know about Angie, it’s that her urge for attention will inevitably override her ability to keep her mouth shut.
Perhaps the silence is due to certain people realising (after last Fridays hearing) that this is no longer simply a “joke” and is in fact very serious, with a real potential for people to go to Prison if they break the law.
The fact that their media of choice is the Internet (in all its guises including social media) Its still publication in the Media and as such is subject to the same laws as control any other form of Media. Its slowly becoming acknowledged through the penalties issued by the criminal justice system that the Internet is perhaps the most powerful of all types of media and as such is the most dangerous and damaging..
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Agreed,this is what I think also. I believe Angie and others have finally realized this isn’t a game and everything they have said and done online could have serious consequences for them.
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Yes, I think people are finally beginning to realise that this isn’t just fun and games. What we say online is pretty much permanent, and can have very serious consequences for those on the receiving end.
The legal system, until now, has not been equipped to deal with this sort of thing, but it’s gradually catching up, and revamping its approach to internet crime. And people like Angie or Jake who parrot other people’s baseless accusations against innocent citizens are likely to feel the force of the law, as much as if they’d taken out advertisements in their local newspapers about those those they persecute.
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Perhaps consideration should be made of the following:
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And as always the police, CPS seek a good case to impose the law. The hoaxers need to be aware- this case is hovering around ‘Fleet Street’ now & I doubt it will be just the Ham & High who turn up on the big day.
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Its not a big DAY – the trial is listed for a week (5 days) starting on the 11th.
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As someone said, there is nothing like a court case to give a reality check. Playtime is over for the Satan Hunter, now the hard reality of arrests and trials kick in.
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Well said SV, the net is tightening on those who promoted the hoax, without doubt their actions caused misery.
Some of the perpetrators have already had a knock on the door from the authorities, some of those “knocks” have now been made public and reported on. Other “knocks” have occurred and are not yet reported in the media
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Indeed and it’s one reason I approve of all the formalities, the wigs & robes that accompanies an English (and OZ / New Zealand) court as that is a reality check to those in the dock of the seriousness. It’s even nerve wracking just being a witness.
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I think I saw in a video that Belinda McKenzie commented on how the High Courts of Justice in London were intimidating, so it does have a massive psychological impact on those Satan Hunters, who in most situations live in lala land.
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Yes, I think I saw the same video, SV. Belinda and Neelu were both in it and Belinda expressed surprise that Neelu hadn’t felt as intimidated as she, herself, had.
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“They both know the law” lol. Why would they want a postponement? Putting off the inevitable So much for Jakey’s inside source. The court cat?
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He did mention ‘calling Neelu back’ at one point.
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I reckon it was Barry Lyndon that told Jake the incorrect info.
The pair are now fb friends.
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If Jake’s reading this he needs to know that Barry and Neelu both believe in Roger the eight foot butterfly and therefore aren’t a good source of information. Just watch their videos!
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Only a matter of time then before Jake is planting crystals around the court.
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It’d be a better use of his time.
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Angie states in her Facebook post today: “Another youngster I love to bits like I love Jake Clarke ….only evil sees evil ….I love these brave youngsters like I love my own sons”
WELL ANGIE, THAT REALLY HELPS YOUR CREDIBILITY, HAVE YOU SEEN HIS FACEBOOK PAGE? THAT’S THE IMAGE YOU WANT TO SUPPORT?
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“only evil sees evil”. This from a woman who sees Satanic Cults murdering & eating babies in police stations & McDonalds.
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Yep, unbelievable really, the levels of self-deception.
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That was the first thought that sprang to mind for me, as well. One can only imagine how evil the Hoaxtead pushers’ minds are, to continue seeing evil where none exists.
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I felt particulary angry the other day when I heard Angie say that her daughter had been upset when she saw the name Gabriella and thought the ‘cult were after her’ or words to that effect. I’ll shout this so someone somewhere might hear. THERE IS NO CULT AND THEREFORE NOBODY TO COME AND GET ANYONE. The reason Angie’s daughter has been frightened is because her mother is filling her head full of nonsense. Angie’s daughter, imo, is another victim of the conspiraloon/evangeloon cult.
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Yes, absolutely true. We’ve said it before here: if there’s any ‘cult’ involved, it’s the cult of true believers in Hoaxtead, who continue to cling to their belief despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Yes..and how dare Jake use my name…I now live in fear that conspiraloons are out to get me! 😀
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LOL!
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Angies latest Facebook post (shortly after 09.00BST)
SO ANGIE – Is that an euphemistic way of stating your talking to the Guardia (with a pre arranged appointment, perhaps by their invitation?) later this morning, you wont be able to get on the Internet and your not certain if you will be back today?
Now what would the Guardia want to talk to you (ANGIE) about – could it be:
..Charity Fraud?
..Publishing videos of their officers obtained in a covert recording?
..Your claims to have taken the keys to a patrol car and the barracks?
..Threats to persons that you have been part of?
..Your claimed lost passport?
The mind boggles, but with your journalistic prowess do let us all know later the latest twists in your sad saga, I bought a big bag of popcorn this morning and a few tacos and dips. Its better than watching a reality soap like Eastenders….
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Angie likes the attention, now the police will give her the attention she seeks.
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She can tell them all her stories. I’m sure they’ll be vastly entertained, especially when she regales them with that corker about how she accidentally stole their car keys! Or shows them the covert video she made of the airport cop. That’ll have them in stitches!
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Maybe the USA Immigration Officials are going to question Angie about the pack of lies she told in an attempt to get a Green Card.
Hopefully no more USA trips for Angie.
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Nooo. Statute of limitations. They’re not bothered about something that happened 25 years ago.
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Fraud is classed as a serious offence for US entry. They are very particular about any fraud – irrespective of how long ago it occurred (see crimes of moral turpitude and entry into US)
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I doubt she got a Green Card. They’re not that easy. Probably overstayed her tourist visa but different times now as Rupert Q May find out.
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I doubt Angie will ever be able to gain entry again to the US – she knows that. Hence why she did not take her son last year to the US, instead her other son accompanied him.
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Yes, this was my thought at the time. If I had a son who needed surgery, even if he were an adult, I am quite certain I wouldn’t just assign another sibling to look after him.
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She did say in one of her videos why she didn’t accompany him, I can’t recall which one but I’m sure she said she feared being arrested.
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I remember something like that too, Jake.
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I’ve been pondering some of the questions asked in the above video and I’m afraid I have no answers. It led me on to thinking about conspiracy theorists though and what makes them tick over. (I’m well aware that conspiracies occur – I just don’t buy the more barking mad ones.) Anyway one thing is for sure. You can’t simply divide conspiracy theorists into mad or bad. There’s obviously more to it than that. (I’m not suggesting that anyone here sees things that simply – I’m just pondering the why’s and wherefores of the situation.)
I know several people who believe whole-heartedly in the full range of conspiracy theories that we mention here, although I’ve had varied feedback when it comes to ‘Hampstead’ with only one true believer, one on the fence and the rest calling bullshit. If you put Hampstead aside though they all believe in chemtrails (sprayed to poison us so the population is reduced) and variations on masonic, NWO, Illuminati, aliens and lizards. The people I know are neither mad nor bad and they aren’t stupid either, although I’d say in every case education has been lacking and they don’t know the difference between evidence and unsubstantiated speculation.
Pychologists are now looking into how conspiracy theorists think and there are loads of papers knocking about which aim to explain why otherwise functional people would all of a sudden start believing barking mad things. Some psychologists cite gullibility as the problem. Some say it’s a matter of ‘intellectual character’ i.e. your intellectual style. Some say that conspiracy theorists are those who feel they have little control over things. It might be all of these things rolled into one. There are various theories though and a plethora of information, far too much to write-up here. I’ve just ordered the book ‘Why People Believe Weird Things’ by Michael Shermer. I believe there’s something about Satanic panic in there that might be useful.
Anyway, the point I’d like to make is that although you might see some of the Hoaxtenders as ‘scammers’, some as mentally unstable (no doubt about the latter) and some as just plain stupid, there are also factors at work which make it difficult for some of the believers to accept new information and shake off what are essentially deeply entrenched beliefs because these beliefs serve psychological purposes.
It is for this reason that the more forceful you are in attacking their beliefs, the more stubbornly they’ll hold on to them.
It’s a bit of a sad situation all round, especially when innocent people are being hurt by the more extreme end. It would seem the only solution is to minimize the damage by notifying the police and other authorities when harm is done and by supporting the victims wherever possible. Well done to those who do that. I’m also not opposed to a bit of sarcasm and satire if it helps put things into perspective and gives everyone a laugh, because lets face it, this isn’t really bloody funny. Besides it’s a British tradition to mock the ridiculous.
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Very important and timely observations, BE. I think it’s really a multi-faceted issue, and it’s not helped when government, religious, or business institutions do, in fact, act high-handedly, or in a way that invites speculation.
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Yes, aint that the truth.
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Jon Ronson’s work on conspiracy theories is pretty good, albeit made for a mainstream audience. Worth getting hold of ‘The Secret Rulers of the World’, his Channel 4 series and the accompanying book, Them; Adventures with Extremists. Best thing about Ronson is his humour; he punctures the egos of people like Icke quite brilliantly.
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I’ve seen a couple of his videos and enjoyed them immensely.
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We find it entertaining to note that Sabine is reblogging the story of Annie, whose story we featured here yesterday: https://punishmentwithoutcrime.wordpress.com/2016/04/18/mother-whose-baby-was-removed-at-birth-but-fought-to-get-him-back-speaks-out/
Apparently Sabine doesn’t grasp the fact that Annie’s story shows how dangerous and damaging the ‘Sabine and Belinda Method’ is.
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they just can’t help themselves
McKenzie Friends Crime Report
Association of McKenzie Friends
voluntary public interest advocacy
http://www.mckenzie-friends.co.uk
Chairperson: Belinda McKenzie — Web Publisher: Sabine K McNeill
EU Law Specialist: Deborah Mahmoudieh
http://www.hampsteadresearch.com/mckenzie-friends-crime-report-2/
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Dearest Angie
I hope the “hospital Visit” ,”Airport runs” and “lack of WiFi” today was not too difficult for you,
How was Guardia Officer “O”, did he enjoy your stories? please tell us all via your face book missives…..
Sorry if it has been a bad day for you
Yours
A big fan!! xxx
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LOL! 😏
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Oops – Angie does not read this blog, so I had best not expect any sort of reply or reaction….
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No, no, of course not. All hypothetical, don’t you know.
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Connections ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545831/Campaigners-fathers-rights-stage-protest-balcony-Boris-Johnson-s-London-house-mayor-inside.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sasBkLVbgY read the description ….leads to the ‘Screaming to be Heard’ conferences.
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These people are cracked, Just because an ex-copper with a book to flog or a con-merchant like Chris Fay claims there was a Westminster Pedo Ring they accept it without question. When claims against Leon Brittan of Lord Bramall etc collapse they scream ‘cover-up’. They really are frightening.
As for that father’s group. The husband of a friend of mine belongs to it. I suppose these 2 have jobs although it’s not really clear they have but my friend’s husband is always demanding “equal visiting rights’ but because he’s been unemployed for a few years he pays 5 quid a week to his daughter’s upkeep & refuses to contribute to her ice-skating lessons. His ex-wife works long hours and is underpaid in the NHS.
I can’t stand these people. They have a one-size-fits-all mentality with no possibility of variations.
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Interesting Sheva – notice the woman who appears in other videos? Is angie being stalked?
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I’ve noticed that woman in previous videos, but don’t recognise her. Anyone?
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I recall two people discussing that person in another post on here a while back. 🙂
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I wonder if she was watching Angie in particular?
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Answers via Facebook please Angie, After all you don’t look at these pages….
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