Following yesterday’s successful removal of Abe/Drifloud’s Twitter account, we’ve been having many discussions about the best way to shut down some of the remaining Hoaxtead-pushing online accounts. Here’s a quick synopsis of what we’ve learned.
Part 1: Blogs
First on all our lists is Abrella’s new blog, which is pretty much the same as their old blog except for the part where they openly push their ambition to be the next David Wolfe.
The full name of Abrella’s blog is Hampsteadcoverup.com, and its IP address is 82.221.136.1.
It’s important to understand a few things before you attempt to have Abrella’s blog removed:
- You have to contact the right people. For instance, Abrella’s blog uses a software called B2Evolution, but there’s no point in complaining to them about the blog. Rather, the best contact is the blog host; in this case, that would be the Iceland-based company, Orangewebsite.com. Their help desk can be found at abuse@orangewebsite.com.
- Before lodging a complaint, it’s a good idea to have a look at the company’s terms of service. The TOS for Orangewebsite can be found here.
- Note that one of the big selling points for Icelandic web hosting companies is that their country has very liberal freedom of speech laws. This is probably why Abrella (and Charlotte Ward Alton before them) chose Orangewebsite.com as their host.
- Despite their dedication to freedom of speech, Icelandic hosting companies have very firm rules regarding child sex abuse and child sex abuse images.
Here’s an excerpt from Orange’s TOS that explains their position:
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Sites hosted on OrangeWebsite.com’s service(s) are regulated only by Icelandic Law. OrangeWebsite.com is not in a position to investigate and validate or invalidate the veracity of individual defamation claims, which is why we rely on the legal system and courts to determine whether or not material is indeed considered defamatory. In any case in which an Icelandic court order indicates material is defamatory, libelous, or slanderous in nature; we will comply and remove or disable access to the material in question.Potential harm to minors is strictly forbidden, including but not limited to child pornography or content perceived to be child pornography (Lolita):
Any site found to host child pornography or linking to child pornography will be suspended immediately without notice.
‘Potential harm to minors’, therefore, is probably the best line of argument to pursue in any complaint about Abrella’s blog.
As well, it’s probably a good idea to include Mrs Justice Pauffley’s original judgement following the fact-finding hearings last March, as well as the court order prohibiting publication of the children’s names or their images.
Here are a couple of sample emails to help you craft your own. The first is from ‘Darius’:
We’ve highlighted a couple of important bits: the fact that the children reported that Abe tortured and sexually abused them (via forcing them to repeat stories of a highly sexual nature); and the fact that Abrella have posted “sensitive images and confidential police interviews featuring these vulnerable children’s faces, voices, names, and confidential police interviews, in which they speak in detail about extremely personal sexual matters (the children are aged 8 and 9)”.
Here’s another complaint letter, from Satanic Views:
I would like to report a site that is promoting child abuse, and is hosted on your servers.
The site is http://hampsteadcoverup.com
The children who are identified on the site have been subject to various forms of child abuse, and were taken into care, these children have been named, and various images, video and other humiliating details of the abused children have been displayed on the site. You can see the image of the two children when you first enter the site, the girl has bruising to her head, inflicted by the owner of the site.
The children are subject to various court orders trying to protect their identity, and the owner is a fugitive wanted by the UK police in relation to his torture of the children. The owner of the site is also using the site to wage an intense campaign of harassment and defamation against innocent teachers and parents in the Hampstead area of London.
Details of a High Court conclusion involving the owner of the site is here:
http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed144003
Can you please consider closing this site down?
Both these letters are excellent, and we think could only be improved by the addition of the court order.
We’ll be adding our own voice to the complaints against Abrella’s blog, and we’ll keep you updated as things progress.
Not sure if this line of thought will be of any use, but…
I was wondering if their blog/website could in itself be an obscene publication. It is full of graphic discriptions of child rape and murder. We are sure as far as we can be that these discriptions are false, a product of Abe’s mind, a fantasy, a work of fiction.
I’m not really familiar with the obscene publications act, on looking online I did come across this,
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/03/text_talk_legal_status/
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CM, the Obscene Publications Act is effectively obsolete. Probably half the publications from the last 50 years contain something that could technically get it banned under that act. It lost a lot of credibility over the whole ‘Lady Chatterley’s Lover’ thing, when it was used quite perniciously as a weapon by the prudish minority – and ultimately failed (controversially banned for over 20 years, then ended up on the school curriculum!). There have been 6 high profile prosecutions in the last 40 years and 5 were unsuccessful. The act has long been consigned to the dustbin of social history, along with Victorian ‘values’ and Mary Whitehouse.
That said, I’m sure we can add it to the arsenal of legislation that we dangle in the faces of web-hosting companies when trying to persuade them to comply with the law (along with the more ‘de rigueur’ Malicious Communications Act, Data Protection Act, Race & Religious Hatred Act etc.).
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That’s a good thought, though like you, I don’t know whether the blog would fall under the Act. I’ll have to look into it more fully.
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Iceland have signed up to this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_for_the_Suppression_of_the_Circulation_of_Obscene_Publications
I’m not sure what that is though..
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Time for a round-up of the latest scores, I reckon…
And may they spur us all on to keep going!
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The main fact here is : the rights of the children to anonymity & the breach of their rights by publishing their images and videos.
While Iceland may claim to allow free speech I’m pretty sure they would have their own laws regarding children’s privacy. Iceland is not a EU state but perhaps there is an Iceland MP who concentrates on minor’s rights who could be contacted to pressure the internet hosts.
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Iceland’s Government Agency for Child Protection and other related links, including Icelandic child protection legislation and contact details for the Ministry of Welfare:
http://eng.velferdarraduneyti.is/agencies/nr/1699
http://www.bvs.is/english
Click to access Child-Protection-in-Iceland-and-the-role-of-the-Government-Agency-for-Child-Protection.pdf
http://eng.velferdarraduneyti.is/ministry/about
http://www.bvs.is/files/file107.html
http://eng.velferdarraduneyti.is/acts-of-Parliament
Click to access Child-Protection-Act-as-amended-2013.pdf
Click to access VidogborninokkarIslEn.pdf
Hope this helps 🙂
Sam/EC et al: perhaps we can all put our heads together and agree a strategy?
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Perhaps it’s better to appeal to the web host first & see what their response is. I’m sure reasonable people would understand a court injunction and how dreadful it is to keep publishing these kid’s images. Doubt any web host wants to be known for aiding in child abuse.
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I agree, Sam–I prefer to give the web host the chance to do the right thing before we try to move to the Icelandic government. However, I think the list DG has posted is a very useful one, that we can use if need be.
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It could be worth, if not done, or even if, an email with good detail and pointers, to Internet Watch, and i think they circulate from their, it might put people on their radar ?
If not there are others like CEOP
I think i did do a report, but way back, there is so much more refined information now.
In so many ways this is a child protection issue, effecting quite alot in bad ways.
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Those were actually my sentiments too, Sam. I only posted those links in response to your previous comment.
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Um, the google drive contains the names of the children… Perhaps we should download that pdf. Edit the names out and reupload them.
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I understand the concern, but if we interfere with the court order in any way, we essentially nullify it. In this instance, I think that having it contain the children’s names is a necessary evil.
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Sassy, PDF documents can’t usually be edited unless you have special software.
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So if I see either Abe or Ella, I should call UK crimestoppers right?
Why aren’t they on the UK crimestoppers website.
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Good point, why there is no European Arrest Warrant out for them is another question. I am sure they will be arrested if they ever enter UK at any harbour or airport.
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The problem is that no European Arrest Warrant has yet been made for them. Why this is, I really couldn’t say.
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What’s the UN ruling on child torture ?
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Good question. I don’t know whether it would have any force in getting material taken offline, but it’s certainly worth looking into.
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i’m pretty sure, Matty published stuff when he was at the UN…i’ll check or ask him or one of his team.
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My major frustrations are Facebook and Google, who probably use moderators in Outer Mongolia to do all their moderation, and in most cases where the children P and Q are being featured, my referrals are rejected. When it comes to children’s privacy the internet sucks.
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I agree and in light of the current UK drama over Google (who I hate) and there tax avoidance, they are a fucking hideous corporation that provide nothing no other search engine does but their arrogance is unbelievable. Surely there is a bloody politician in the UK who will take on Google. Facebook and the rest & their blatant breaches of privacy.
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While I agree with you Sam, it’s not only Google that takes advantage of tax laws.
Look at Microsoft, Vodafone, Starbucks etc.
It’s an issue governments need to address.
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The fact is, this era of giant multinational corporations has outgrown the old taxation and governance models. The whole thing requires a rethink, to ensure some corporate responsibility and accountability.
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I notice that there is a lot of correspondence with Barrister Justin Ageros on Abe’s site. Aren’t such communications usually confidential? I wonder how Mr Ageros feels about them being published?
http://www.4pb.com/barrister-profile/justin-ageros/
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The confidentiality belongs to the client & they can use how they want. All communications between lawyer & client are privileged. However who are the clients? Abe, Ella & the children?. All the clients have to agree if communications are published but it’s extremely rare for a client to publish – just more evidence that Abe is a fucking nutcase.
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And this is family court matter so the whole thing is confidential apart from what the judge allowed.
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Yes, I think the fact that it’s a family court matter is the nub of the thing: it’s always illegal to break that confidentiality.
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A further trove of videos on children P & Q which needs to be deleted:
https://vimeo.com/user38210853
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Should be using the UN convention, on privacy, childrens rights, i’m pretty sure there is an applicable one, maybe someone could ask how this can be done best ?
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Yes, I’ve been aware of Mister Jones for a long time.
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I have today referred that account to the attention of Vimeo on at least four different levels.
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SV, can you share here how you did that? I’m putting together info’ on how to report things to various online platforms, and that would be really helpful.
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It was an overkill perhaps, but start by having a Vimeo account.
1. Flag individual videos with their report button.
2. Flag the entire account by using Report this Person flag on their profile page.
In addition:
3. I emailed support.
4. I tweeted @vimeo on Twitter – which they monitor.
I have had two responses that they will look into it.
In addition.
5. I referred the entire account to
https://www.iwf.org.uk/
My argument was that they were hosting child abuse videos that feature images, details of abuse and names of abused children. Plus, that the videos were stolen from the police.
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Thanks, that’s really useful.
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After all that hard work, folks, you may need to rebalance your chakras. Here’s Mrs. B. of Ilford to guide you through the process…
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If she’s asking us to vote on the dilemma posed in the last sentence, I vote she goes to sleep. For as long as she likes.
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At last Neelu admits she’s unbalanced!
adjective: unbalanced
(of a person) emotionally or mentally disturbed.
“she considered him to be mentally unbalanced and dangerous”
synonyms: unstable, of unsound mind, mentally ill, deranged, demented, crazed, troubled, disturbed, unhinged, insane, mad, mad as a hatter, mad as a March hare, raving mad, out of one’s mind, not in one’s right mind,
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‘Barking’ comes to mind for some reason.
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blimey, i would never do that
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I occasionally fixed stuff on a secure unit and that was the sort of manic expression you’d get at the window, it gave me the willies every time and I was glad that I didn’t work there.
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Evidently her burying crystals around London failed to work for her.
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Of course, Neelu’s weird sycophantic followers continue to indulge her delusions:
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Well, isn’t that special?
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That’s an interesting newspaper article tweet from SAFF, which I noticed on the sidebar here, EC.
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Yes, SAFF comes up with some very interesting stuff. 🙂
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An attempt to refer the following site on Facebook to moderators was rejected this morning:
I then attempted reason – my posting name (James Hind) in Facebook. It is an interesting conversation. Reason failed too.
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https://www.facebook.com/Eaten-Lives-Matter-111390865899697/?fref=photo&sk=photos
Refer to “Fear is the Mind Killer” photo.
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I just read all your Facebook comments and you speak good sense. As you said you can’t reason with those sorts of people, they’re the real mind-controlled ones.
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Sadly, true.
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I have reported the page too now. Maybe if enough people do Facebook will take notice.
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Great 🙂
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Friends, Romans, Hoaxbusters…The hoaxers will never beat us with spelling such as Tina’s (Eaten Lives Matter – see above). They can throw all the loons, conspiranoids, antisemites and flat-earthers at us that they want but our superior grammar will lead us to victory. People – we shall fight them in the dictionaries. We shall fight them in the glossaries. We shall fight them in the thesauri. This is not the end of the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Er…Nurse?! Nuuuuuurse?!
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Perhaps it is a common trait that these loons have a low intellectual capacity.
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i’m boss eyed, i’m too tired to read, still fallout from the Fiona Fiasco, and another victim, but i found this on google, nice an child friendly language, so i thought i might understand it, and be able to pick the right ones. these are inalienable rights no matter where, a child lives, and i’m sure this came up last year, but probs worth to find the privacy right and any others that fit, and add them, another idea was, could simply put out an appeal to cybercrime experts, i’ve been added to alot of groups, on twitter, alot want to sell stuff, but you never know, someone may know another way to tackle ? jus ideas from my way tired brain, http://www.unicef.org/rightsite/files/uncrcchilldfriendlylanguage.pdf
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Don’t know if this has been posted before…I kind of lose track but it mentions the children’s names.
http://hampsteadchristchurch.com/ricky_dearman
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Yeah, that’s the website of the American freakshow that is Christine Ann Sands. We haven’t managed to get that one taken down yet but if it’s any consolation, she was arrested, fined, given a restraining order and, most satisfyingly of all, deported 🙂
(Meme courtesy of Big Earl)
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